Mark, thank you too for the answer! Most of the questions are answered on my mail to Stephen, but find the rest below.
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2026. márc. 26., Cs, 9:08):
I suspect you have a list:user:notice:rejected.txt template other than the default defined in the file system somewhere, probably in the /opt/mailman/mm/var/templates/ hierarchy. I say this because the default template at /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/en/list:user:notice:rejected.txt
doesn't contain a hex ED (lower case i with acute accent) character.
Only found this, nothing on the other path:
# cat /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/en/list:user:notice:rejected.txt Your message to the $listname mailing-list was rejected for the following reasons:
$reasons
The original message as received by Mailman is attached.
The issue is the list's preferred language is English and the preferred
character set for English is ascii and the resultant message built from the template contains that non-ascii character.
OK, well, would be convenient to use my native language, but many templates have no translation. This is an empty file:
# ls -l /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/hu/list:user:notice:rejected.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/hu/list:user:notice:rejected.txt
As a matter of fact, most of my templates are empty!
# ls -l /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/mailman/templates/hu total 16 -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 domain:admin:notice:new-list.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 help.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 337 May 3 2025 list:admin:action:post.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:action:subscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:action:unsubscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 212 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:disable.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:increment.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:pending.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:removal.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:subscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:unrecognized.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:admin:notice:unsubscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:member:digest:header.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:member:digest:masthead.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:member:generic:footer.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:member:regular:header.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:action:invite.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:action:subscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:action:unsubscribe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:goodbye.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:hold.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:no-more-today.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:post.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:probe.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:refuse.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:rejected.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:warning.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 735 May 3 2025 list:user:notice:welcome.txt
I don't see why it's packaged like this – I know that translations don't come easy. I picked up the maintenance of the SMF forum engine's translations, and it's brutal how many hours it took to get it to a decent state. However, Mailman could use English as a fallback for missing translations; getting the notifications in English is still better than getting empty messages which is confusing.
mailman qfile
/opt/mailman/mm/var/queue/shunt/1774486082.6627975+afc236d96580c03921fa8a6f172f4a81eb2d20f6.pck
Thank you! This is really useful, because at least I can be sure that the moderation action itself worked and it is indeed attempting to send the notification.
'member_moderation_action': 'reject','moderation_reasons': ['The message is not from a list member'],
I have so many questions...
1. What is it about the ASCII encoding? "ordinal not in range(128)"? What do we even do with ASCII in 2026? I tried to send a messagethat only contains ASCII characters, but the result was the same, so it's probably not in the e-mail contents.
It's in the template. There are reasons, mostly historical but also practical why the default character set for English is ascii. Also see <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/work_items/1268>.
WOW, looks like the same problem, and it's also fairly recent. It must have been something overlooked for years and now suddenly two people noticed around the same time.