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Correcting name spellings in a list
by Morris Jones Feb. 24, 2021

Feb. 24, 2021

I typo'd some full names in a mailing list. I want to correct them ... I can't see a way to do that in the Member Options, so I thought I'd try "remove" and re-add, either from the command line or the UI. But the name gets readded with the typo intact. :( Is there a way to fix it without writing SQL? Mojo -- Morris Jones, Monrovia, CA BridgeMojo <http://bridgemojo.com> Old Town Sidewalk Astronomers <http://otastro.org> Mojo's Blog <http://mojo.whiteoaks.com>

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Best guide for installing from pypi
by duane＠fairsay.com Feb. 24, 2021

Feb. 24, 2021

Hi. I've got a partial mailman3 install done and, based on the documentation, am not sure how to complete it! (this is my first time) I've installed mailman3 (3.3.3) on a Debian 10 server using python3.7, mysql, postfix, apache, etc. and have run the install using pip3 install mailman. The "mailman info" command works, version shows "3.3.3 (Tom Sawyer)" the databases creates, tables, all exist, etc. So it seems the necessary services are running. I'm running froxlor on the server to configure the non-mailman services (apache, ssl, postfix, etc). I had also tried apt install mailman-full but it was an older version, so using the pypi route ensured I was on the latest version. Looking at https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html, what I can't figure out is: 1) There is no /opt/mailman/ user - the user installed seems to be "list" 2) Is a virtual environment needed for a production environment? 3) if django is setup properly or the webservice is working 4) I've tried to connect to some web interface (posterious/hyperkitty/some mailman3 web frontend) via lynx to localhost:8001 on the local machine - but it has a 404 error Anyone got any tips as to next steps? (I'm also happy to pay someone to coach me through it!) Cheers, Duane

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Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/my@lists.domain.eu/pop-threads
by Marco Marinello Feb. 24, 2021

Feb. 24, 2021

Dear all, I've setup my own instance of Hyperkitty working as archiver of a Mailman 3 server. It works fine but, sometimes, I get an email of a Django error: Internal Server Error: /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads KeyError at /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads 'file' Request Method: GET Django Version: 2.2.12 Python Executable: /usr/bin/python3 Python Version: 3.7.3 Traceback: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in inner 129. if not is_mlist_authorized(request, mlist): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py" in is_mlist_authorized 146. if mlist.list_id in get_subscriptions(request.user): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py" in get_subscriptions 130. _get_value, 60, version=2) # 1 minute File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/cache/backends/base.py" in get_or_set 167. default = default() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/mailman.py" in _get_value 122. for member in mm_user.subscriptions File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/user.py" in subscriptions 66. 'members/find', data={'subscriber': address}) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py" in call 112. error_msg, response, None) During handling of the above exception (HTTP Error 500: <html> <head> <title>Internal Server Error</title> </head> <body> <h1><p>Internal Server Error</p></h1> </body> </html> ), another exception occurred: File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py" in __call__ 94. response = response or self.get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 36. response = response_for_exception(request, exc) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in response_for_exception 95. exc_info=sys.exc_info(), File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in log_response 228. exc_info=exc_info, File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in error 1412. self._log(ERROR, msg, args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in _log 1519. self.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 1529. self.callHandlers(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in callHandlers 1591. hdlr.handle(record) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/logging/__init__.py" in handle 905. self.emit(record) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/utils/log.py" in emit 119. reporter = ExceptionReporter(request, is_email=True, *exc_info) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/django/views/debug.py" in __init__ 254. self.template_info = getattr(self.exc_value, 'template_debug', None) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/tempfile.py" in __getattr__ 614. file = self.__dict__['file'] Exception Type: KeyError at /hyperkitty/list/my(a)lists.domain.eu/pop-threads Exception Value: 'file' Request information: USER: myuser GET: No GET data POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data Where did I go wrong? Best, Marco

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Help with troubleshooting mailman3 DNS lookups
by Simon Handfield Feb. 24, 2021

Feb. 24, 2021

Dear users, hoping someone can point me in the right direction. Since we set up mailman3 on Ubuntu last year we have migrated to new DNS servers. The Ubuntu host's systemd-resolved service is correctly using the new DNS servers for lookups and postfix is honouring the change as well. However when messages are sent to mailman3 lists we're still seeing hits on the old DNS servers. I have tried to find a config that references the old servers but have not been able to find one. Can anyone provide a tip on where to look next or if there is something that mailman3 requires to recognise the change? Thanks, Simon. _ [State Library of NSW]<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> Simon Handfield Desktop and Infrastructure Leader simon.handfield(a)sl.nsw.gov.au<mailto:simon.handfield@sl.nsw.gov.au> +61 2 9273 1535 Macquarie Street, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia www.sl.nsw.gov.au<https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/> This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.

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Bounce Problems
by M4tze Feb. 23, 2021

Feb. 23, 2021

Dear List, I experience some strange effects regarding the bounce handling. The lists are configured with a bounce_info_stale_after = 7d and bounce_score_threshold = 5. (full config dump here: https://pastebin.com/42uTkdTJ) It just happend, that a user has been disabled but should not when regarding the config. The bounce log for the user looks like this: (see here: https://pastebin.com/bWRPa88H) If I understand the settings correctly, bounce_info_stale_after = 7d means that any bounce received > 7d ago are not counted (which would be intuitive). It seems, that there must be a 7d gap between the last bounce received and a new bounce to get the score reset to 1. Is my interpretation right? Is this intentional? Can this be changed? Kind regards - M4tze

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list owner creation
by Christian Stalberg Feb. 22, 2021

Feb. 22, 2021

If one inadvertently deleted a list owner account, how could one either create a new account and make them a list owner -or- make an existing account a list owner? Thanks!

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A new issue with installation
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 20, 2021

Feb. 20, 2021

As usual, a new issue has arisen with installing Mailman 3. It seems Postorius and Hyperkitty want to install a module called cryptography. Which I am unable to install because of this: error: Can not find Rust compiler Question 1: Is cryptography a new addition to Hyperkitty/Postorius? Or was cryptography always included and something else is different about my installation process? "Building wheels for collected packages: hyperkitty, django-haystack, django-mailman3, mailmanclient, robot-detection, rcssmin, django-allauth, cryptography" Question 2: Will Hyperkitty/Postorius work without cryptography? I haven't proceed with this installation once I received the above error. Question 3: Are there any Mailman 3/Postorius/HK documentation that addresses with the installation of cryptography? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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more about spanish translations
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Feb. 20, 2021

Feb. 20, 2021

I've just made a test creating a user in postorius to change an address that already has a suscription (from mailman 2.1). It's a test address with the digest enabled to be aware from any problem in the digest sending messages (e.g. I had to change all digest addresses to mime whe I did the migration from 2.1) The fact is that I cannot find from which template or Weblate term chains it could be from, and the address confirmation email is a language mix in spanish and english. I copy it down. I would like to translate it all, but as said, I cannot find where to do it. I wonder if it's comes from another package as allauth or something like this. Here is the mail: Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5Bescepticos=2Ees=5D_Por_favor_confirmar_direcci=C3=B3n_de_correo?= =?utf-8?q?_electr=C3=B3nico?= From: postorius(a)XXXXXXXXXXX.es To: XXXXXXXX(a)gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:26:26 -0000 Message-ID: <161373038620.5080.16387108004007982309(a)XXXXXXX.es> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1,URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 <dns:XXXXXXXXX.es> [172.67.131.28, 104.21.3.190] <dns:XXXXXXXXXX.es?type=MX> [0 XXXXXXXXXXXX.es.] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on XXXXXXXXXXX.es Hello from XXXXXXXXXXX.es! You're receiving this e-mail because user XXXXXXXXXX(a)gmail.com has given your e-mail address to register an account on XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.es. To confirm this is correct, go to https://XXXXXXXXXXX.es/mailman3/accounts/confirm-email/MTM:1lD2zR:3GpALYKI1… Muchas gracias por usar XXXXXXXXXX.es! XXXXXXXXXXX.es

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How to modify system preferences
by Jack Lenox Feb. 19, 2021

Feb. 19, 2021

Hello everyone, I've been making headway with getting Mailman 3 to run how I like it. However I've hit something of a road-block with system preferences. By that, I'm referring to the default set of preferences set out in the documentation here: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… The documentation states that these are only accessible in a read-only format via the REST API, but presumably there is a way of modifying these somewhere? I can't find a way of specifying this in my config and can't find a relevant example in the sample schema.cfg. At this stage, all I want to do is set the default for "receive_own_postings" to False. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Many thanks! Jack

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archiving problem & updates
by Christian Stalberg Feb. 19, 2021

Feb. 19, 2021

Archiving has stopped working. No changes were made to the server. How can I diagnose and troubleshoot this please? Are there instructions for how to update mailman3 somewhere? Is there a listing of bug fixes also? Thank you!

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Membership list changes
by Vako Nicolian Feb. 18, 2021

Feb. 18, 2021

Using MM 2.1.33 When I send an email to /{list}-request(a){domain.com} /with /who <password> /on the subject line, I get a list of the members of the list. Here are my questions: A) Is there a way to export the list to cvs or txt format? B) Can we format the list to have it come in name 1st and then email C) display number of members D) Sort the list Thank you, Vako

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spanish localization
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Feb. 18, 2021

Feb. 18, 2021

I contributed in january to translate to spanish all the items left in Mailman Core, Django-mailman, HyperKitty and Postorius via Weblate. I thought they will be used in the next upgrade, but I cannot see any improvement and there are many words untranslated. Is there any way to upgrade the .po files in order to get the last translation? P.S.: I will follow translating the Weblate updates, by the way.

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Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs
by hansen＠rc.org Feb. 18, 2021

Feb. 18, 2021

I just had my Mailman suite upgraded. When it got started, I starting receiving messages that hundreds of subscribers to the lists had been disables, including several of the list moderators. This version started supporting bounce processing, but how in the world was this upgrade allowed to act on bounces that were being collected PRIOR to enabling bounce processing?? I got many angry emails, messages and phone calls asking what was going on, as they were bona fide list members. I was very surprised myself. I then looked at several of the disabled accounts, but the subscription info page in Postorius had no information about whether an account was enabled or disabled. Why is this not displayed???. The members can't see if their account is enabled. Is this another example of the disconnect between Mailman and Postorius? Further, even after the upgrade, the moderators still cannot access the list memberships even though all the lists are set to allow that. I would have asked the moderators to do this if this access bug had been fixed, but they can't get there. As a result of these bugs, after consulting with Brian, who helped with the upgrade, I spent many hours re-enabling the several hundred accounts that had been disabled. I had to go through each email notification to find the address of a disabled account, then find the list, then the member, in Postorius, and finally enable the account (at which time Postorius DID show the enabled status). Please, can the next upgrade include these very basic fixes/enhancements, which I requested a long time ago: a. The ability of moderators to see the list membership (a bug). b. The ability of members to change their addresses for all lists they are subscribed to. and further, now: c. That when members go to look at their subscription info, they can actually see the settings. Thank you, Allan

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Mailman3 crashes on restart
by Gelpi Andrea Feb. 18, 2021

Feb. 18, 2021

After restarting my mail server mailman3 does not start any more. Mailman3 in on a debian 10. I upgraded the django packets but no result. This the syslog output. Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: Traceback (most recent call last): Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: load_entry_point('mailman==3.2.1', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 764, in __call__ Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return self.main(*args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 717, in main Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: rv = self.invoke(ctx) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return super().invoke(ctx) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 1137, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 956, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/core.py", line 555, in invoke Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return callback(*args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/decorators.py", line 17, in new_func Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 81, in start Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: status, lock = master_state() Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailman/bin/master.py", line 104, in master_state Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: os.kill(pid, 0) Feb 17 17:00:24 posta mailman3[21303]: PermissionError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Feb 17 17:00:24 posta systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE Feb 17 17:00:24 posta systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Any idea? What have I to check? Thanks -- Gelpi ing. Andrea ************************************************** I documenti vitali dimostreranno la loro vitalitˆ spostandosi spontaneamente da dove li avevate lasciati a dove non riuscirete a trovarli. **************************************************

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Re: Mailman, etc. upgrade woes and persistent bugs
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Feb. 18, 2021

Feb. 18, 2021

Steve, What I mean by per-user permissions is that some transitions, for example bounce-disabled to enabled, should be only possible by someone with appropriate permission to do so -- perhaps the list admin, perhaps someone else, but not just anyone. Another example _could_ be if a user disables themselves then only that user can re-enable them again (though I can see that might not be good). Of course, you can to some extent group users by role, so 'admin' role is always ok, 'list-owner' role is ok for any action on that list, etc. If you had a 'role' which was 'account-owner' then you can probably code the rule for re-enabling an account disabled by the account owner as "role = admin or role = list-owner or role = account-owner". Whether this needs to be extended to "role=admin or user = guy" (where 'guy' is a named account holder) I don't know... I suspect it would be better if that wasn't done unless it was shown to be necessary, as "here be dragons". Do you see where I'm at? In writing this up it occurs to me that being able to see/edit rules such as these, stored in per-list config, would probably be a good thing. Don't know how practical that is though. Regards, Ruth On 16/02/2021 15:29, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Hi, Ruth, > > Thanks for the comments. I'll have to think about most of it, but I > have one immediate question. > > Ruth Ivimey-Cook writes: > > > > On 13/02/2021 16:34, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > > I don't think separate booleans is a good idea, since they're > > > basically mutually exclusive states[.] > > > > While using one variable makes some sense as you say, it does > > complicate the allowed state transitions especially when per-user > > permissions as well as logic are applied to the situation. > > I don't understand how "per-user permissions" apply here. > > Regards, > Steve -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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Rebuilding a list index fails
by Mark Dadgar Feb. 18, 2021

Feb. 18, 2021

Now that I’ve got my instance back up and running on the latest released code, I am trying to rebuild a list index. I am using Xapian via haystack, which worked beautifully before my recent list meltdown. Error messages below. rebuild_index fails with the same error. This is with django version 3.0.12. I am sure I missed reinstalling something or there’s a version mismatch. Thoughts? - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 —— (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm/bin$ ./django-admin update_index_one_list xxxxxxs(a)pdc-racing.net Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 328, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 369, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/management/commands/update_index_one_list.py", line 41, in handle update_index(listname=options.get("listname")[0], File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 117, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 280, in update_backend backend = haystack_connections[using].get_backend() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 115, in __getitem__ self.thread_local.connections[key] = load_backend( File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 61, in load_backend return import_class(full_backend_path) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/haystack/utils/loading.py", line 23, in import_class module_itself = importlib.import_module(module_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/xapian_backend.py", line 10, in <module> from django.utils import six ImportError: cannot import name 'six' from 'django.utils' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/__init__.py)

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3rd Party Account is not working
by kwp.klein＠gmail.com Feb. 17, 2021

Feb. 17, 2021

I installed Mailman 3 with Postfix. I try to login with the 3rd Party Account. It is not possible, because I get this error message: Server error An error occurred while processing your request.

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ham-confirm+3ee85b006eeb5897ca6f53b093cb063672f6a784@example.com
by Jörg Klein Feb. 17, 2021

Feb. 17, 2021

I want add some subscribers. When the I get this error message: I have no address ham-request(a)example.com. Do I need for every mailing list more as the mailing list email address? Final-Recipient: rfc822; ham-request(a)example.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: dns; mx0.example.com. (80.237.138.5, the server for the domain example.com.) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 Address invalid (ID:550:1:1 (mi015.mc1.hosteurope.de)) Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 01:13:18 -0800 (PST)

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List is down - RemovedInDjango30Warning
by Mark Dadgar Feb. 17, 2021

Feb. 17, 2021

So I did the latest mailman upgrades within my venv (per the instructions got from Brian Carpenter when he installed it for me) to the latest version. I had a strange CPU pegging issue that turned out to be mailman struggling with a malformed message but in the process of debugging that I downgraded to the previous mailman release. The resulted in a broken web interface. Today, while debugging, I did a pip install --upgrade of all the components as listed in a previous thread. Now none of the mailman3 processes will start. Doing a bin/mailman-post-update results in the error message below, which are consistent with the issues I saw earlier when trying to access the web interface. Anyone got a solution to this? I suspect it’s something simple, but django is just not my area of expertise. Thanks! - Mark ----- mark(a)pdc-racing.net | 408-348-2878 ——— (venv) mailman@mail:/opt/mailman/mm/bin$ ./mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 66, in __getitem__ return self._engines[alias] KeyError: 'django' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 121, in get_package_libraries module = import_module(entry[1]) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1014, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 991, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 671, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 783, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/contrib/admin/templatetags/admin_static.py", line 5, in <module> from django.utils.deprecation import RemovedInDjango30Warning ImportError: cannot import name 'RemovedInDjango30Warning' from 'django.utils.deprecation' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/django-admin", line 8, in <module> sys.exit(execute_from_command_line()) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 401, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 395, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 328, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 369, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 277, in handle self.handle_inner(**options) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 300, in handle_inner offline_manifest, block_count, results = self.compress(engine, extensions, verbosity, follow_links, log) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 100, in compress if not self.get_loaders(): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/compressor/management/commands/compress.py", line 50, in get_loaders for e in engines.all(): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 90, in all return [self[alias] for alias in self] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 90, in <listcomp> return [self[alias] for alias in self] File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/utils.py", line 81, in __getitem__ engine = engine_cls(params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 25, in __init__ options['libraries'] = self.get_templatetag_libraries(libraries) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 43, in get_templatetag_libraries libraries = get_installed_libraries() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 108, in get_installed_libraries for name in get_package_libraries(pkg): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 123, in get_package_libraries raise InvalidTemplateLibrary( django.template.library.InvalidTemplateLibrary: Invalid template library specified. ImportError raised when trying to load 'django.contrib.admin.templatetags.admin_static': cannot import name 'RemovedInDjango30Warning' from 'django.utils.deprecation' (/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/utils/deprecation.py)

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Imported Digest Settings
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 17, 2021

Feb. 17, 2021

I am still seeing digest formatting issues with the import of Mailman 2 lists into Mailman 3. I am running the latest stable version of Mailman 3 core which is 3.3.3. This is what my client reported: > For the last three REDACTED digests I have been getting unusual and > unreadable characters? See example below. > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *REDACTED >> *Subject: *REDACTED*Digest, Vol 2453, Issue 2* >> *Date: *February 13, 2021 at 12:30:24 AM PST >> *To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >> *Reply-To: *REDACTED@REDACTED >> >> �P*+]4�LaG@��[� S� XZ[ [�� \� �X�Z\��[ۜ� ‚] [� [�ܙ‚� � �X��ܚX�H ܈ >> [��X��ܚX�H �XH [XZ[ �[� H Y\��Y�H �] �X�X� ܂�� H� [ � ‚] [�\�\]Y\� >> [�ܙ‚�[�H �[� �XX� H \��ۈ X[�Y�[�� H \� ] �] [�[#<^_NSEDR_^#<ۙ\� >> [�ܙ‚�� [� �\ Z[�� X\�H Y ] [�\� �X�X� [�H �� ] \� [ܙH � X�Y�X [� �N� >> �۝ [� � و S� Y�\� �� ^I�� X�΂� K� �N� [� \� � [\ � >> �� ] >> \�B�KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKB�Y\��Y�N�B� >> ] N� �K L� �X��HL ��N�� L ��N� �� ] \� �� ] >> \�]\�X˘��O��X�X� � � S�H �N� [� \� � [\ • Έ �� [�Y[ �� [�Y[ >> ]ܙ[��K�Y O��Έ � S� H �[\ ] ^Y\�� [� \�] [ۘ[ �] �ܚˈ� [� >> [�ܙς�Y\��Y�KRQ � Q� >> � >> KM�� M� N Q �P��PL �P �] \�]\�X˘��O��۝ [� U \ N� ][ \ \� �[ \�] >> ]�N‚X��[� \�OP\ KSXZ[ M ь P�KL�L�KM ��KP�KM��̌#<^_NSEDR_^#<͌ >> L �Y\� H [�� YX�� H \� Y �[[^H [� � X� \� [�� Y] [�� Y�ܙH H Y� >> \� [� ] �Y[\� �\� Y [� �� \�H ��\ ] H ] [ � H �\� ۙH و \� � Y [� ˈ [ >> [�� ]�\�] [�� H �]�H YK �\� [� ]�Y X[ \ \�� [� �\�[ [�� X� [ۜˈ H >> �\�[ [�� X� [ۋ �H �\� �\� H [�� [\ ܝ [� [� �[ XX� H \� � H ۸�&] [�� >> H �]�H [ و \� � Y [� � H �[YH X] \�X[ ˈ ] �\� H ]X� [ܙH >> \�#<^_NSEDR_^#<ۘ[ ^�Y \ ��X� �܈ XX� � Y [� � H ��Y� \� �� ] H [� >> ܚ] [� � Y� H �]�H YH H \�� Y [� ]�[� ] � �� Y\� >> [�H ]�H � �H � � ۛ�� Y� ] \�JK ��\� �܈ �^[ۙ ] � [�� ] \��[� >> ��H ^H T ۙB� ۈ �X�L So the questions I have are: 1. Why does the formatting of digests change for some members when coming from MM2 to MM3? 2. What proble does the above example reveal? 3. What is the best approach to mitigate these issues? What I did: I had the client change the list member's digest setting from plain-text to mime. Was that the right instruction to do? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Bottom line of message footer
by Tom Stoddard Feb. 15, 2021

Feb. 15, 2021

Here's another question that I have. A regular message just came into my email from one of the lists I'm a member of and it had a 3 line footer. The first two lines are fine, they just include the list's email address and an address to send unsubscribe requests to. The third line is this: %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s It looks to me like it should be a link to the group's list info page. Is this a bug or is there something I can do to fix it? It looks like it might be missing a forward slash after the first "s".

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Unknown templates being used
by Tom Stoddard Feb. 15, 2021

Feb. 15, 2021

I'm a list owner who has recently (within the last week) had my lists migrated from mailman 2 to mailman 3. The UI that we are using is Affinity. I've reviewed all of the list templates and begun to customize some of them. My issue is that I'm receiving messages that don't match any of the templates. Here is an example of one that I just received this morning. (The x's are inserted by me. The actual message provided valid addresses.) The xxxxxxxxxx(a)xxxxxxxxxx.org list has 1 moderation requests waiting. Held Subscriptions: User:xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. When I log in to review the request it appears to be a subscription request awaiting approval. I had previously modified the "Moderator Approval Subscription" template, which is what I would expect to have received in this circumstance. I administer several lists and have received some messages that do use the newly modified template so I assume I did it correctly. Any idea where the template for this message came from? Thanks!

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Dealing with recipients' servers spam filtering
by Gilles Filippini Feb. 13, 2021

Feb. 13, 2021

Hi, I run a mailman3 instance with mainly private lists for which I know and trust every single member. Some of them have Hotmail email addresses, and the messages they send though our lists are rejected as being spam by most of the recipients' mail servers, while these are legitimate emails. I'd welcome any pointer to best practices / howtos regarding mailman3 / exim4 configuration to mitigate this problem. Many thanks in advance, _g.

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Mailman 3 installation from latest Debian packages
by Matthew Blissett Feb. 12, 2021

Feb. 12, 2021

Hi, I've installed mailman3-full 3.3.3-1 from Debian bullseye (Debian testing). The dropdown controls on the UI for Postorius (e.g. "Subscription requests", "Mass operations" and the username button to log out) and the similar controls on Hyperkitty (e.g. "Threads by month") do not work. You can see the latter at http://newlistszm.gbif.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/test@newlistszm.gbif.or… I found https://lists.gem5.org/archives/list/gem5-announce@gem5.org/ which is running the same version, but presumably not using these Debian packages as the Javascript is slightly different. Could this be a problem with the Debian packaging, or perhaps my configuration -- which is very close to the defaults (i.e. Mailman and Apache configuration generated by dpkg). Has anyone set up a working installation using these packages? Thanks, Matt Blissett PS, I wrote a similar message earlier in the week to a Debian list: https://alioth-lists.debian.net/pipermail/pkg-mailman-hackers/2021-February…

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Innstall and run Mailman 3 with Postfix in a Docker enviroment
by kwp.klein＠gmail.com Feb. 11, 2021

Feb. 11, 2021

## Install Mailman 3 The idea is to install Mailman 3 in ad docker container. Also I want to install Postfix in a container. All the mail which will send and receive should handled in a docker container. The reason is, that on the server only applications in a docker environment working. There is no MTA installed. On the server are Discourse as forum, wikijs, portainer, watchtower, homepage, and the NGINX Proxy Manager installed. At next I need Mailman 3. I don't know how to install and run Postfix for Mailman in a docker environment. Here is my first try. I can visit the site lists.example.com, but I can not set the Admin password. I think the reason is, that the MTA not working. I have a gitlab repo. If you like please look here: https://gitlab.com/joklein/mailman ### Configure the docker-compose.yml file ```yml version: '2' services: postfix: image: mailu/postfix restart: unless-stopped container_name: postfix volumes: - /opt/mailman/postfix:/etc/postfix/main.cf.d - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman ports: - "25:25" networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.6 services: mailman-core: image: maxking/mailman-core:0.3 restart: unless-stopped stop_grace_period: 30s container_name: mailman-core hostname: mailman-core volumes: - /opt/mailman/core:/opt/mailman links: - database:database depends_on: - database environment: - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_CLASS=mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase - SMTP_HOST=172.19.199.1 - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=ZawB3NGBUgbmQcMGhZ0kYIW0WRNw8P9osEudsGiFZWv networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.2 mailman-web: image: maxking/mailman-web:0.3 container_name: mailman-web restart: unless-stopped hostname: mailman-web ports: - "8000:8000" depends_on: - database links: - mailman-core:mailman-core - database:database volumes: - /opt/mailman/web:/opt/mailman-web-data environment: - DATABASE_TYPE=postgres - DATABASE_URL=postgres://mailman:mailmanpass@database/mailmandb - HYPERKITTY_API_KEY=ZawB3NGBUgbmQcMGhZ0kYIW0WRNw8P9osEudsGiFZWv - UWSGI_STATIC_MAP=/static=/opt/mailman-web-data/static - SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN=lists.example.com - MAILMAN_ADMIN_USER=admin - MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL=lists(a)example.com - SECRET_KEY=mailmangeheim networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.3 database: image: postgres:9.6-alpine restart: unless-stopped environment: POSTGRES_DB: mailmandb POSTGRES_USER: mailman POSTGRES_PASSWORD: mailmanpass volumes: - /opt/mailman/database:/var/lib/postgresql/data networks: mailman: ipv4_address: 172.19.199.4 networks: mailman: driver: bridge ipam: driver: default config: - subnet: 172.19.199.0/24 ``` #### Build the API Key für Hyperkitty and SECRET_KEY You can build a key with `pwgen -s 128` #### Make some directorys ```sh mkdir -p /opt/mailman/core mkdir -p /opt/mailman/web mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mailman-web-data/static ``` #### Make a file in /opt/mailman/web/settings_local.py ```sh EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend' EMAIL_HOST = '172.19.199.1' EMAIL_PORT = 25 USE_SSL = False DEFAULT_FROM_EMAIL = "<E-MAIL>" SERVER_EMAIL = "<E-MAIL>" ``` Change the `<E-MAIL>` with your server address. For example `mailman(a)lists.example.com` So that Postfix also sends your e-mails, you create the file `/opt/mailman/core/mailman-extra.cfg` with the following content: ```sh [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTP outgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliver lmtp_host: 172.19.199.2 lmtp_port: 8024 smtp_host: 172.19.199.1 smtp_port: 25 configuration: /etc/postfix-mailman.cfg ``` Now you are ready to start your container: ```sh sudo su - cd /root/mailman-docker docker-compose up -d ``` #### Check the mailman images ```sh docker ps -a CONTAINER ID IMAGE COMMAND CREATED STATUS PORTS NAMES f6990a2f808f maxking/mailman-web:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 55 seconds ago Up 52 seconds 8000/tcp, 8080/tcp mailman-web a7fa6334b2b8 maxking/mailman-core:0.3 "docker-entrypoint.s…" 58 seconds ago Up 54 seconds 8001/tcp, 8024/tcp mailman-core e8812dc42663 postgres:9.6-alpine "docker-entrypoint.s…" About a minute ago Up 57 seconds 5432/tcp docker-mailman_database_1 ``` #### Check the conection ```sh curl http://172.19.199.3:8000/postorius/lists/ ```

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error when starting the mailman executable from the venv
by Christian Stalberg Feb. 10, 2021

Feb. 10, 2021

I tried to access a 'held' message and got the 'Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core.' error message. When I went to start the mailman executable from the venv I get this #~mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman start Starting Mailman's master runner Generating MTA alias maps Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin/mailman", line 11, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.2', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 829, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 782, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 68, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1259, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1066, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/core.py", line 610, in invoke return callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 21, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_control.py", line 131, in start os.execl(*execl_args) File "/usr/lib/python3.7/os.py", line 539, in execl execv(file, args) TypeError: expected str, bytes or os.PathLike object, not NoneType Please advise. Thank you. ~Christian

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Problems with web interface after upgrade
by Victoriano Giralt Feb. 10, 2021

Feb. 10, 2021

Hi, I just applied all the recipes that have been recently posted for upgrading (pip install --upgrade of all pieces, migrate, collectstatic) The compress part refuses to work "OFF_LINE", whatever that is. I tried with mailman running and stopped. I can access hte main Postorius page and the basic list information, but I cannot login nor access the archives. Operations end on two exceptions logged to the log file (and two mail messages to the owner = me). Very similar to what I get if I try to --force the "compress". I'm sure I'm missing somethning, but do not know what ... Thanks! Traceback: ERROR 2021-02-09 19:57:41,414 726 django.request Internal Server Error: /listas/accounts/login/ Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 263, in precompile mod = import_module(mod_name) File "/usr/lib64/python3.6/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 994, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 971, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 953, in _find_and_load_unlocked ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sassc -t compressed {infile} {outfile}' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 34, in inner response = get_response(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 145, in _get_response response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 143, in _get_response response = response.render() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/response.py", line 106, in render self.content = self.rendered_content File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/response.py", line 83, in rendered_content content = template.render(context, self._request) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 171, in render return self._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 150, in render return compiled_parent._render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 163, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 937, in render bit = node.render_annotated(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/django/template/base.py", line 904, in render_annotated return self.render(context) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 131, in render return self.render_compressed(context, self.kind, self.mode, forced=forced) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/templatetags/compress.py", line 107, in render_compressed rendered_output = compressor.output(mode, forced=forced) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/css.py", line 49, in output ret.append(subnode.output(*args, **kwargs)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/css.py", line 51, in output return super(CssCompressor, self).output(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 295, in output output = '\n'.join(self.filter_input(forced)) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 235, in filter_input for hunk in self.hunks(forced): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 205, in hunks precompiled, value = self.precompile(value, **options) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/compressor/base.py", line 268, in precompile return True, filter.input(**kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/filters/base.py", line 229, in input return super(CachedCompilerFilter, self).input(**kwargs) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.6/site- packages/compressor/filters/base.py", line 196, in input raise FilterError(err) compressor.exceptions.FilterError: Error: It's not clear which file to import for '@import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"'. Candidates: ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/_bootstrap.scss ../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap.scss Please delete or rename all but one of these files. on line 4 of static/hyperkitty/sass/hyperkitty.scss >> @import "../libs/bootstrap/stylesheets/bootstrap"; ^ -- Victoriano Giralt Innovation Director Digital Transformation Vicerectorate University of Malaga +34952131415 SPAIN ================================================================== Note: signature.asc is the electronic signature of present message A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure ? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email ?

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Reason for Shunting
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

Is there a way to determine why a message keeps ending up in the shunt queue? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Running Mailman3 v3.2.1 on Devuan 10.0, getting a pid permissions error on Mailman3-web
by rainbear＠gmail.com Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

# service mailman3-web stop [....] Stopping Mailman3-web uWSGI service: mailman3-webstart-stop-daemon: matching on world-writable pidfile /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid is insecure # ls -l /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 6 Feb 9 13:00 /run/mailman3-web/mailman3-web.pid # mailman info GNU Mailman 3.2.1 (La Villa Strangiato) Python 3.7.3 (default, Jul 25 2020, 13:03:44) [GCC 8.3.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: sqlite:////var/lib/mailman3/data/mailman.db devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://*obscured*:8001/3.1/ REST credentials: *obscured* Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated. It's been a while, my old server died on me a few years back, and I'm finally getting around to getting a new one set up. I'd been looking forward to MM3 for *ages*! I can't wait to play! :-D Thank you in advance! If I forgot any relevant info, I'm happy to provide. Best, --Glenn

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API access to Hyperkitty
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

Is it possible to download Hyperkitty's archives to a remote server via an API? Is there documentation that explains how to accomplish this task? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Hyperkitty_import.py Error
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

I am trying to import some old archives (going back to 2003) into a Mailman 3 list. The import job is terminating very early in the process with the following error: IndexError: string index out of range 1. Is there a way to fix a mbox file that is generating this type of error? 2. If a message is causing this error, is there a way to import the rest of the mbox file by importing messages after a certain date within the mbox file? I know the --since flag should be able to do that but I am unsure what the date/time format should be. 3. The --no-sync--mailman flag indicates the possibility of doing batch imports. What are batch imports and how do you do them? Thanks! -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Implicit Destination Meaning
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

I just migrated a MM2 list to MM3. The client had no problem sending posts to his list with MM2. However when he posted to his MM3 list, it showed up in the moderation queue: ============ Your mail to 'dogs(a)lists.redacted.org' with the subject mailing list changes Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The message is being held because: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. =========== Is there a List Setting somewhere that needs to be adjusted to allow this sender to post without moderation? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Moderator Approval Subscription template
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

Hey all, I am seeing a strange issue with the Moderator Approval Subscription template. 1. First problem is that this template by default does not include a URL to the list admin page of said mailing list. Mailman 2's notifications did. 2. Problem 1 can be solved by editing the template and adding the List Owner (admin) url to moderate the subscription. However in the case of long URLs, the URL is getting cut-off in Thunderbird. Not sure about other email clients. So something like: https://list.redeacted.org/admin/list/oligodendroglioma.list.redacted.org comes through to Thunderbird like: https://list.redacted.org/admin/list/oligodendroglioma.list.redact (<-- This is hyperlinked but leaves out the ed.org portion) ed.org (<--- This is not hyperlinked) -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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Postorius upgrade issue
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Feb. 9, 2021

Feb. 9, 2021

Folks, I upgraded mailman-web and mailman-core to 3.3.3 in the manner suggested recently (pip install -U) and all seemed well, but have now noticed a strange bug. On the Postorius list admin page (where moderated subscriptions etc can be seen) although the top horizontal menu is present and the links exist, all the links are to that page (i.e. href="#') Is this a known issue, and how can I fix it? Pre upgrade all was well. Regards, Ruth -- Software Manager & Engineer Tel: 01223 414180 Blog: http://www.ivimey.org/blog LinkedIn: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/ruthivimeycook/

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Sync list members
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 8, 2021

Feb. 8, 2021

Hello, Outside of using the REST API, are there any other ways to sync a Mailman 3 roster with a file that contains list members? -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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KeyError: 'get_requests_count' after an upgrade
by Guillermo Hernandez (Oldno7) Feb. 8, 2021

Feb. 8, 2021

I've just upgrade mailman 3 installation following Mr. Sapiro advice: did a pip install --upgrade django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman mailmanclient mailman-hyperkitty postorius I did a "python3 manage.py migrate" after, too. And all seemed to run well. All the lists showed in postorius via web, but when I try to accesss into one of them the browser shows an error. In the log you can see: *-*-*-*-*-*-* Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 119, in __getattr__ return self._get(name) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.7/site-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/base.py", line 86, in _get raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'get_requests_count' ... (And after all the traceback lines) AttributeError: 'MailingList' object has no attribute 'get_requests_count' *-*-*-*-*-*-*-* The lists seem to be distributing messeages well.. but I cannot acces via web administration (django/postorius) Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this, please?

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Footer
by Eric Broens Feb. 7, 2021

Feb. 7, 2021

Hi, I have created a footer via the webUI "Templates" option, but it is not included in the mails distributed by the mailinglist. From information given in other threads, I checked the DB, and the entry for this footer is created in the template table. The uri for the footer is http://localhost:8000/postorius/api/templates/list/..., but there is no process listening on port 8000. Do I need to install/configure something additionally to get a process listening on port 8000? Thanks in advance,Eric

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Clone or copy Mailman list
by w.schoener＠alp.dillingen.de Feb. 5, 2021

Feb. 5, 2021

Hi there, i am using a mailman 3.2.1, core Api 3.0, Mailman Core Python Version 3.7.3. I have to create a large number of Mailman lists, all with the simulare settings. Is there a way to clone a list with all settings an another list name? Thank you :-) Wolfgang

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Module Not Found Error after update
by Brian Carpenter Feb. 5, 2021

Feb. 5, 2021

I went to upgrade Mailman 3/Hyperkitty/Postorius on a development server: |pip install --upgrade postorius hyperkitty mailman| The above was done as the user mailman in a venv. I then proceed to run the ./mailman-post-update script in the bin directory. The script through an exception with the following line saying: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'django_mailman3.lib.user' Please advise. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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is it possible to rebuild mailman-web database please?
by Giovanni Biscuolo Jan. 30, 2021

Jan. 30, 2021

Hello, I'm pretty new to mailman3, especially it's internals. I upgraded a (running fine) mailman3 service from NixOS 20.03 https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Mailman to NixOS 20.09 https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#module-services-mailman After the upgrade I got this very same issue: https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/-/issues/328 --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- mailman mailman-web-setup-start[1832]: raise utils.IntegrityError( mailman mailman-web-setup-start[1832]: django.db.utils.IntegrityError: The row in table 'hyperkitty_attachment' with primary key '1' has an invalid foreign key: hyperkitty_attachment.email_id contains a value '7' that does not have a corresponding value in hyperkitty_email__old.id. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I was not able to fix the migration issue so I recreated the mailman-web sqlite database (/var/lib/mailman-web) using the "migrate" function. After that, and after recreating the database many times, I'm getting this error when trying to access the web interface: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Jan 26 11:34:30 OMISSIS env[18167]: django.db.utils.OperationalError: no such table: django_site --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Actually the django_site table is in the database so I can't understand why of this message. Please is there a way to recreate the mailman-web database from scratch or to fix this kind of problems? Thanks! Giovanni -- Giovanni Biscuolo

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So near, and yet so far (Configuring Mailman)
by j＠cklenox.earth Jan. 30, 2021

Jan. 30, 2021

Hello all, I've spent more time than I care to admit trying to configure Mailman. And I almost have it all working now, but I just can't seem to get my Mailman/Postfix combo to receive emails. When I try to send emails to lists I'm rebuffed with undelivered notices with: <testlist(a)lists.fiftyshadesof.green>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists type=AAAA: Host not found and: <testlist(a)lists.fiftyshadesof.green>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=lists.fiftyshadesof.green type=MX: Host not found, try again This to me appears to be an issue with my DNS settings, but I can't work this out either. I have an A record for lists.fiftyshadesof.green pointing at my server, and an MX record pointing at that: lists.fiftyshadesof.green. 0 IN MX 0 lists.fiftyshadesof.green. lists.fiftyshadesof.green. 0 IN A 193.37.35.191 I have driven myself mad with this and would very much appreciate any advice anyone can offer. Many thanks! Jack

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API errors making member changes to one list but not others
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats Jan. 28, 2021

Jan. 28, 2021

We had an issue with the UI getting API timeouts for a single list for specific functions but not other lists or other functions. This started happening after we accidentally filled the disk partition used by most of the system including the database. There was a single person testing at the time when the disk fullness happened and it was only the single list that got ‘damaged’. After disk cleanup and restarting the docker images the single list would give API errors ("HTTP Error 400: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5)” ) on the screen and logged errors (below) when list members were either subscribed or removed. The issue was repeatable in Postorius and did not ‘heal’. Oddly the issue was resolved by making seemingingly the same API calls from the command line via curl. Making the below call to add a member succeeded and fixed being able to add members in the UI. Similarly sending a DELETE cal from curl worked where unsubscribe requests from postorius (either mass removal or picking addresses from the list member and unsubscribing selected) failed. Again, the unsubscribe from the curl DELETE call ‘healed’ the list such that subsequent unsubscribes in Postorius worked. curl --user user:password -X POST -d 'list_id=laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu' -d 'subscriber=ssw(a)uw.edu' -d 'pre_verified=true' -d 'pre_confirmed=true' -d 'pre_approved=true' http://172.19.199.2:8001/3.1/members We’re running the current rolling docker images (up to date as of 25Jan2021) Obviously, people should run their servers better than letting disk partitions fill-up but it’s going to happen and mailman3 should do a better job of reporting errors and recovering when accidents happen. thanks, steve I’ve included mailman.log lines from going to the mass subscribe [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 434 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:42:49 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:01 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 434 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Jan 26 20:43:07 2021 (48) deque: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 426, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 421, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/http/client.py", line 268, in _read_status line = str(self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1), "iso-8859-1") File "/usr/lib/python3.8/socket.py", line 669, in readinto return self._sock.recv_into(b) socket.timeout: timed out During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 724, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 403, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/packages/six.py", line 735, in reraise raise value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 670, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 428, in _make_request self._raise_timeout(err=e, url=url, timeout_value=read_timeout) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 335, in _raise_timeout raise ReadTimeoutError( urllib3.exceptions.ReadTimeoutError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/workflow.py", line 69, in __next__ return step() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/subscriptions.py", line 343, in _step_do_subscription self.member = self.mlist.subscribe( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/mailinglist.py", line 507, in subscribe notify(SubscriptionEvent( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zope/event/__init__.py", line 32, in notify subscriber(event) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/membership.py", line 176, in handle_SubscriptionEvent send_welcome_message(mlist, member, member.preferred_language) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/app/notifications.py", line 51, in send_welcome_message welcome_message = wrap(getUtility(ITemplateLoader).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 188, in get contents = getUtility(ITemplateManager).get( File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/database/transaction.py", line 85, in wrapper return function(args[0], config.db.store, *args[1:], **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/model/template.py", line 110, in get contents = protocols.get(actual_uri, **auth) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/mailman/utilities/protocols.py", line 38, in get response = requests.get(url, timeout=REQUEST_TIMEOUT, **kws) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 76, in get return request('get', url, params=params, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 530, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 643, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 529, in send raise ReadTimeout(e, request=request) requests.exceptions.ReadTimeout: HTTPConnectionPool(host='mailman-web', port=8000): Read timed out. (read timeout=5) [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 400 130 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:43:07 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/laura-test(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" Then the results of a successful subscribe: [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2.mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu HTTP/1.1" 200 388 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "POST /3.1/members HTTP/1.1" 201 0 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/requests/count?token_owner=moderator HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2" [26/Jan/2021:20:46:20 +0000] "GET /3.1/lists/list2(a)mm3.aca-aws.s.uw.edu/held/count HTTP/1.1" 200 73 "-" "GNU Mailman REST client v3.3.2” >

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Perplexing unsubscribing notification problem
by Brian Carpenter Jan. 27, 2021

Jan. 27, 2021

Hi MM3 Users, I have a perplexing issue with one of our Mailman 3 servers. It doesn't want to send out unsubscribe notifications when a List Owner removes a list member. The server sends out welcome messages and subscription notifications fine just not unsubscribe notifications when a List Owner removes a list member. It will send out an unsubscribe notification if the list member sends an email to listname-leave@listdomain both to the List Owner and List Member. Nothing is showing in the logs as far as I can tell. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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I like your style, but what is it?
by Stephen Willey Mats Mats Jan. 27, 2021

Jan. 27, 2021

How do I get a dump of list settings for each style. Thanks, steve p.s. the search on https://mailman.readthedocs.io/en/latest/README.html gives results but every link needs to have ‘projects/mailman/‘ removed from the url to work.

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Problem updating mailman
by Odhiambo Washington Jan. 26, 2021

Jan. 26, 2021

I am getting this error after I did a git pull and build. (venv) [mailman3@gw ~/git]$ /opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman-post-update + '[' False == False ']' + mkdir -p /opt/mailman/mm/static + /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin collectstatic --clear --noinput --verbosity 0 +* /opt/mailman/mm/bin/django-admin compress* CommandError: An error occurred during rendering /opt/mailman/mm/venv/lib/python3.7/site-packages/HyperKitty-1.3.4rc2-py3.7.egg/hyperkitty/templates/hyperkitty/404.html: /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/dependency.rb:311:in `to_specs': Could not find 'sass-listen' (~> 4.0.0) among 4 total gem(s) (Gem::MissingSpecError) Checked in 'GEM_PATH=/opt/mailman/.gem/ruby/2.7:/usr/local/lib/ruby/gems/2.7', execute `gem env` for more information from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1446:in `block in activate_dependencies' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1435:in `each' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1435:in `activate_dependencies' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems/specification.rb:1417:in `activate' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:305:in `block in activate_bin_path' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:304:in `synchronize' from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.7/rubygems.rb:304:in `activate_bin_path' from /usr/local/bin/sass:23:in `<main>' The other output from this process is so long so I pasted it here: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/tsB2CCNrQG/ Thanks -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-)

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Language Support In Templates
by Brian Carpenter Jan. 26, 2021

Jan. 26, 2021

Hello MM3 Users, I have a question regarding the use of templates in different languages. I created a template for the unsubscribe notification in Postorius in Greek. The template shows up fine in Greek via Postorius. However the email that is sent out has a bunch of question marks where the Greek should be: ??????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????????? email ???? ???, ????? ????? ? ??????????? GNU Mailman ???? ????? $. ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ??? ?? ????????? email $user_email ?????? ?? GNU Mailman ?????? ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ???, ?????? ????? ?? ????????????? ?? ?????? ???. ???????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ?????????? ?? ???? ?? ??????. ? ?? ?????? ?? ????????????? ??? ???????? ?????? - ??? ???? ?? ???????? line - ?? ??? ?????? ???? ?? $ request_email: confirm $token ????????? ??? ? ???? ???????? "?????????" ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????????. ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??????????? ??? ????? ?? ????????? ???????????? ????????????, ????? ???????? ??? ??????. ??? ????????? ??? ??????????? ????????? ??? ?? ?????, ? ????? ????? ?????????, ???????? ?? ?????????????? $owner_email What does it take to get templates to send out messages in a different language then the interface itself. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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How to approve moderated messages via email?
by Brian Carpenter Jan. 24, 2021

Jan. 24, 2021

What is the protocol to approve moderated messages via email? I hope I asking the question correctly. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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False attachments in Outlook 2019?
by Brian Olesen Jan. 24, 2021

Jan. 24, 2021

Dear Mailman 3 users, I seriously think of upgrading from Mailman 2.1.33 to this new RC2 or the final one, when it comes out. But there is an annoying issue that I'd like to ask you about. It's the false attachments that Outlook creates for the footer. Is this still an issue when using Mailman 3, or have you made some sort of work around? I mean here in 2021 it could be nice to use html as the default mail format to be able to create nice looking mails, and due to EU regulations an unsubscription is a requirement. Best regards Brian Olesen from Denmark P.S. If this issue has been solved I will happily translate the mail templates into Danish if wanted.

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Blocked by Hotmail
by Tom ＠ Gather Jan. 23, 2021

Jan. 23, 2021

I am getting rejections from Hotmail Jan 18 14:42:22 mail postfix/smtp[6571]: 046713F914: to=< helen_maryd(a)hotmail.com>, relay=hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.161]:25, delay=0.14, delays=0.06/0.03/0.04/0.01, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.161] said: 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, messages from [167.99.151.239] weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our block list (S3140). You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [ BN8NAM11FT014.eop-nam11.prod.protection.outlook.com] (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) I have submitted a ticket to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestform/8ad563e3-288e-2a61-8… Not sure why they are blocking me. Not on any other blacklists per mxtoolbox... Anyone else experienced this? How to resolve? My mail server is on Digital Ocean if that makes any difference. Thanks for any help -- Tom for the Gather Team https://info.gather.coop

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django fake users
by r.woithe＠callassoftware.com Jan. 23, 2021

Jan. 23, 2021

Hello, is there a opportunity to avoid django fake users? Because of it is not stopping, further and further fake users are subscribing. Would be nice to have a possibility to stop this.

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