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Re: RFC-2369 List-Unsubscribe header missing
by Stephen J. Turnbull July 14, 2025

July 14, 2025

Hi Paul Glad you got that sorted! I wonder why those filters were in there? Not really the kind of thing I'd expect Postfix to be doing out of the box! Looks like you didn't send to the list (at least, I got my copy via personal mail, not the list). Replying for the benefit of Mailman-Users (nothing new to you here). Sparks, Paul writes: > Postfix was filtering the headers. I was not familiar with this > postfix functionality. > > For others who might see this, the filter lines were in /etc/postfix/header_checks > /^List-Unsubscribe:/ IGNORE > /^List-Subscribe:/ IGNORE > > How are you capturing mail at postfix? > > For capturing the email at postifx I used the following to defer SMTP sending. > postconf -e defer_transports=smtp; postfix reload That swooshing sound is that concept returning to hover over my head. > # send the email to the server > mailq > # Use ID from mailq to examine the email using postcat > postcat -vq C23D82B60024 > # Re-enable SMTP sending > postconf -e defer_transports=; postfix reload; postfix flush That's potentially useful in a lot of situations! Steve -- GNU Mailman consultant (installation, migration, customization) Sirius Open Source https://www.siriusopensource.com/ Software systems consulting in Europe, North America, and Japan

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RFC-2369 List-Unsubscribe header missing
by paul.sparks＠us.idemia.com July 12, 2025

July 12, 2025

Thanks to Mark Sapiro and others who have answered questions on this list. It has made my job easier. I'm hoping someone can help with another issue I'm seeing. I'm setting up a new mailman 3 server and doing some test posts to a list. This server is intended only as an announcement list with limited members allowed to post. The resulting emails coming from the list do not include the List-Unsubscribe header although other "List-XXX" headers are included. I'm trying to figure out why the header is missing. It seems clear from the code that the header should be included. Here is partial text of the email source as received from the list. I've tried viewing in Outlook.com, Thunderbird, and even captured the email text at postfix prior to sending to look for the missing header. My domain has been replaced with "example.com" throughout. This is from the postfix capture ________ ... To: "test1(a)example.com" <test1(a)example.com> Thread-Topic: Post 8 test Thread-Index: AQHb8oBBzPBOYgrDxUOIiAxhvUzthA== Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 16:24:38 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US msip_labels: authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=example.com; MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID-Hash: FWHZCRE4EA6IFP4BZTPIF23DKAKVRMDT X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 3.3.10 From: "Somewhere1, SW" <test1(a)example.com> X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: no-reply(a)example.com Subject: [Test1] Post 8 test List-Id: "Somewhere1, SW" <test1.example.com> List-Help: <mailto:test1-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Owner: <mailto:test1-owner@example.com> List-Post: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20250711163343.017C31DBB79(a)example.com> Body text ... __________ Details on my test setup: # Mailman version. __version__ = '3.3.10' OS: Amazon Linux 2023 (RHEL 9 compatible) MTA: postfix-3.7.2 I am using the following code with mailman shell to configure the list. include_rfc2369_headers is left at the default value of True (verified via mailman shell) ____________ # Description value must be passed as a parameter def configure_list(ml, description): #ml.accept_these_nonmembers = allowed_to_post ml.admin_immed_notify = False ml.advertised = False ml.allow_list_posts = False ml.anonymous_list = True ml.archive_policy = ArchivePolicy.never ml.bounce_info_stale_after = datetime.timedelta(days=90) ml.bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = False ml.bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = False ml.bounce_score_threshold = 3 ml.bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 ml.default_member_action = Action.discard ml.default_nonmember_action = Action.discard ml.description = description ml.digests_enabled = False ml.filter_content = True ml.first_strip_reply_to = True ml.forward_auto_discards = False ml.max_days_to_hold = 1 ml.max_message_size = 0 ml.nntp_prefix_subject_too = False ml.pass_extensions = [] ml.pass_types = ['text/plain','multipart/alternative'] ml.reply_goes_to_list = ReplyToMunging.explicit_header ml.reply_to_address = "no-reply(a)example.com" ml.require_explicit_destination = False ml.respond_to_post_requests = False # Allow select members to post to list for mbr in ml.members.members: if str(mbr.address) in allowed_to_post: mbr.moderation_action = Action.defer print('end',mbr.address,mbr.moderation_action) _______________ /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg file: # /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg # These settings override the defaults in the following 2 config files # /opt/mailman/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/schema.cfg # /opt/mailman/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/config/mailman.cfg [paths.custom] var_dir: /data/lib/mailman pid_file: /data/lib/mailman/pid/master.pid lock_file: /data/lib/mailman/pid/master.lock [mailman] layout: custom # This address is the "site owner" address. Certain messages which must be # delivered to a human, but which can't be delivered to a list owner (e.g. a # bounce from a list owner), will be sent to this address. It should point to # a human. site_owner: ml-owner(a)example.com [database] class: mailman.database.postgresql.PostgreSQLDatabase url: postgresql:///mailman # No archiving enabled [archiver.prototype] enable: no [archiver.hyperkitty] enable: no [shell] history_file: $var_dir/history.py [mta] verp_confirmations: yes verp_personalized_deliveries: yes verp_delivery_interval: 1 [passwords] # When Mailman generates them, this is the default length of passwords. password_length: 15 [logging.debug] path: debug.log level: debug ______________ With debug enabled I see the rfc-2369 pipeline being run when processing the post to the list. Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] processing filebase: 1752256291.9136803+bfd305a28151ce750dde5114b413b351fa4d1284 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] processing onefile Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] finishing filebase: 1752256291.9136803+bfd305a28151ce750dde5114b413b351fa4d1284 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] doing periodic Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] committing transaction Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] checking short circuit Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 1 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444087) [CommandRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444087) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] processing filebase: 1752256292.373131+a372784a3ff7a76a662ed1c62c224a53a8008b8b Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] processing onefile Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444096) [VirginRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444096) [VirginRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: validate-authenticity Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: mime-delete Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: tagger Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: member-recipients Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: avoid-duplicates Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cleanse-dkim Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: cook-headers Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: subject-prefix Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: rfc-2369 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process continue 1 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process headers extend Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) RFC 2369 process header for loop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-archive Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-digest Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-usenet Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: after-delivery Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: acknowledge Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: dmarc Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) <20250711175131.B8CEC1DA51B(a)example.com> pipeline default-posting-pipeline processing: to-outgoing Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] finishing filebase: 1752256292.373131+a372784a3ff7a76a662ed1c62c224a53a8008b8b Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] doing periodic Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] committing transaction Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] checking short circuit Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 1 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444091) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444085) [ArchiveRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:32 2025 (444085) [ArchiveRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] processing filebase: 1752256292.8885148+5e5c4a68eacfead13561df616fe7ca19e1d1d182 Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [OutgoingRunner] processing onefile Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444097) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444090) [outgoing] <function deliver at 0x7f21ed7b1310>: <175225629286.444091.14942604217243398224(a)ip-10-0-0-168.us-gov-west-1.compute.internal> Jul 11 17:51:33 2025 (444088) [IncomingRunner] starting oneloop _____________ I tried inserting some log.debug calls into lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/handlers/rfc_2369.py to see where headers were being removed and added. I modified: log = logging.getLogger('mailman.debug') and inserted log.debug throughout the process function and one in the top level. ___________ ... @public @implementer(IHandler) class RFC2369: """Add the RFC 2369 List-* headers.""" name = 'rfc-2369' description = _('Add the RFC 2369 List-* headers.') log.debug('RFC 2369 processing') def process(self, mlist, msg, msgdata): """See `IHandler`.""" process(mlist, msg, msgdata) __________ When running with debug enabled, I see this top level message many times at the top of the debug.log file during mailman startup, but not after that. I don't see any of my other debug messages. _____________ Jul 11 16:03:36 2025 (409226) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:40 2025 (409244) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:41 2025 (409250) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:49 2025 (409271) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409271) [DigestRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409271) [DigestRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409261) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409261) [BounceRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409261) [BounceRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409264) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:50 2025 (409267) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409262) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409262) [CommandRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409262) [CommandRunner] ending oneloop: 0 Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409266) RFC 2369 processing Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409266) [PipelineRunner] starting oneloop Jul 11 16:03:51 2025 (409266) [PipelineRunner] ending oneloop: 0 ... __________ Any suggestions on where else I can look? Any thoughts on why my debug calls are not showing in the logs?

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Displaying addresses in emails from a Mailman 3 installation
by Steve Brown July 5, 2025

July 5, 2025

In a list I administer, the From line in an incoming email shows [Poster's Name] via [List Name] <address for posting a reply> . I use Outlook as my client, but at least some other clients behave similarly. However, I have at least one subscriber who uses Mozilla's Thunderbird as his client, and periodically the format changes to something else, most recently to just [List Name <address for posting a reply> . I suspect this occurs from some combination of the way Thunderbird parses the header and the way it populates some kind of address book that makes autofill work, but I'm not sure. Is this a known problem? Is there an easy fix that will be stable? In the past, putting an association in his address book and removing others worked, but it didn't hold and he is frustrated.

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Caching problem with templates
by Mark June 29, 2025

June 29, 2025

Caching problem with templates. GNU Mailman 3.3.10 Python 3.11.2 Postorius Version 1.3.13 Venv installation per docs Hi All, A footer template is created and initially it works as expected. Editing the footer template sees the new content written to the database, In addition to viewing the edited content in the database, the new template can also be viewed in Lynx on localhost at: http://localhost:8000/mailman3/api/templates/list/<IDENTIFIER>/list:member:regular:footer The problem is that the original template is being cached somewhere and the old footer persists in new emails. In trying to get the edited footer to show in the emails I've restarted mailman3/mailmanweb, rebooted the server - but no joy. Any advice on how to flush the cache or hammer this gremlin greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mark

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redirecting -bounces replies
by Hirayama, Pat June 26, 2025

June 26, 2025

Greetings, Is it possible to redirect the -bounces alias of a specific list so that it also goes to a person, in addition to the normal bounces processing for that list? In Mailman2, I know that I could do that by modifying the aliases table. I've been poking around in Mailman3, but haven't managed to figure out which container I need to be looking at. And rather than keep spinning, I figured that I'd ask the hive mind, since I'm sure one of you can quickly point me to the correct location. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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Change the default value for the General Archive Policy
by Markus Grandpré June 26, 2025

June 26, 2025

Dear list, currently, when I create a new mailing list with MM3 the value for "Archive policy" is always set to "Public archives". I'd like to change the default value for "Archive policy" to "Do not archive this list". How can I do this? In Debian 12 I find in </usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/postorius/forms/list_forms.py>: mlist_properties = ['archivers'] archive_policy_choices = ( ('public', _('Public archives')), ('private', _('Private archives')), ('never', _('Do not archive this list')), ) archive_rendering_mode_choices = ( ('text', _('Plain text')), ('markdown', _('Markdown text')), ) archive_policy = forms.ChoiceField( choices=archive_policy_choices, widget=forms.RadioSelect, label=_('Archive policy'), help_text=_('Policy for archiving messages for this list'), ) but have no idea how to change the settings here. Your help is very appreciated. Best regards, Markus Grandpré -- Markus Grandpré Universität Konstanz Kommunikations-, Informations- und Medienzentrum (KIM) Abteilung IT-Dienste Forschung, Lehre und Infrastruktur Sachgebiet Diensteadministration Tel: ++49 7531 88 4342

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Creating users via RestAPI / User-Management - a bunch of questions
by Christian Schneider June 23, 2025

June 23, 2025

Dear Mark and companions, somehow I can not cope with the user management... (I am running a venv-installation, latest stable versions) I read this manual: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/… and played with the RestAPI calls... I know about the fine grained differences between user and member, admin/owner, superuser... and about the two user databases in PostgreSQL and Django-Framework. What I stumble upon is the RestAPI calls to create a "working" user (with the ability to login via WebUI). When I follow the manual (from the url above) I create a user (including password) that appears in the PostgreSQL database. (And this user is visible on the User-URL (https://example.com/mailman3/users)) Even when I (via WebUI) set the user as "approved" this user is not able to log in... I assume this restriction is in accordance to the fact that there is not equivalent Django user. (There was a mail in the archive of the MM3 user group...stating that one has to use the Django RestAPI to create the appropriate user) When I create the user using the WebUI (https://example.com/accounts/signup/?next=/mailman3/lists/) the new user is created in the right (complete) way...appearing in the PostgreSQL database and as a user in Django. How is this sync between the two databases realized? (The Django user also has the correct status (no staff status / no superuser status / just active status) how is this realized?) As I am not very familiar with python programming (I know Perl/Java/C++ and have an (maybe outdated) concept of OOP), is there a quick way to implement this kind of sync by copying the register logic from mailman's python action script for registering? Other questions: Will there be a create_admin_user-script that is callable via CLI (like createsuperuser or create_list)? (This script ought create a user in PostgreSQL and as Django user) How will a social account provider (like oidc) linkage (in Django) fit in this concept? Will oidc-accounts be copied to the Django's user database (or PostgreSQL db) or is it an on-the-fly check against the oidc-provider? (I assume second option) What are the status-flags (staff status/superuser status/active status) of the linked oidc-accounts? (Can I specify the status flags?) A conceptual thought: When "user1" (with email user1(a)example.com) is known to django via oidc linkage and I create "user1" (also with email user1(a)example.com) via RestAPI calls (following the url https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…) do I have a "complete" user then? I mean a user who is able to login and who can be assigned to a list as admin (e.g.) (In this case I would not have to care about the Django user database... ;-)) Thank you for some clarifying hints... :-) Chris

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two signatures on sent mail?
by STR June 20, 2025

June 20, 2025

Hi, I am a very non-savvy mailman list user. I am trying to set up a list via cPanel but when I send emails there are two signatures. One is my usual signature and the other, below, is appended by Mailman and includes an http link to a non-existent page on my website. How do I strip the auto signature, just leaving my own? I use Mailman via cPanel on two separate hosting accounts. One works fine and this new one attaches the list address. I can't see what I did differently with the first! any help gratefully received Kate

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footer template priority
by Sam Darwin June 20, 2025

June 20, 2025

It seems templates can be configured in the filesystem or via postorius. When I place a footer template in the filesystem it worked fine. Then without adjusting any configuration, without removing that, I tried to use the postorius control panel to add a footer template, which ends up in the database, both the core and web databases. But emails stop getting sent out. Emails were posted into Hyperkitty, but not mailed out via postfix. Whatever system logs I have access to, I have checked. There are no apparent errors anyplace. Perhaps I didn't look in the right places. The problematic email arrives, is posted to Hyperkitty, but isn't emailed out to subscribers. As if the template broke something. I remove the template from the postorius UI. Those queued emails are instantly sent! The template said "test content". No variables. I checked on the server for "queued emails" and did not find those either, in postfix or mailman. Mysterious. The phenomenon is repeatable on this server. Add a footer template, emails stop.

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Django-allauth compatibility (ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD and ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED)
by Jan Eden June 17, 2025

June 17, 2025

Hi, after installing Mailman 3 in a new virtual environment, I ran into the compatibility issues with django-allauth discussed by Andreas Vetter and Mark Sapira on this list in February[1] and in March[2] – WARNINGS: settings.ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} settings.ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED is deprecated, use: settings.ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] – and solved them with the additions to /etc/mailman3/settings.py suggested by Mark: del ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD ACCOUNT_LOGIN_METHODS = {'email', 'username'} del ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED ACCOUNT_SIGNUP_FIELDS = ['email*', 'username*', 'password1*', 'password2*'] In the second list thread, Mark linked to the current (patched) version of mailman-web's mailman.py[3], which addresses the deprecation of ACCOUNT_AUTHENTICATION_METHOD, but not of ACCOUNT_EMAIL_REQUIRED. Is there any reason why the patch fixes only one of the two issues? - Jan [1] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [2] https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… [3] https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-web/-/blob/c8b9aef1704b75b1cb6d0c925855a…

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Trouble Installing Mailman3
by Henry Hartley June 13, 2025

June 13, 2025

I'm having problems installing mailman3 following the instructions on https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html Everything goes well until I get to the Installing Mailman Core<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#installing-mail…> step, which has me do the following in my venv environment: (venv)$ pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Ubuntu 24.04.02 LTS Python 3.12.3 pip version 24.0 First, I was getting problems because my company firewall was blocking outbound traffic. I got that taken care of. Next, I was seeing certificate errors, saying there was a self-signed certificate: WARNING: Retrying (Retry(total=0, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: self-signed certificate in certificate chain (_ssl.c:1000)'))': /simple/wheel/ Could not fetch URL https://pypi.org/simple/wheel/: There was a problem confirming the ssl certificate: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='pypi.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /simple/wheel/ (Caused by SSLError(SSLCertVerificationError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: self-signed certificate in certificate chain (_ssl.c:1000)'))) - skipping When I added --trusted-host pypi.org that error went away but I'm still unable to install anything: (venv) mailman@wz-prd-tpmd-1:~$ pip -v --trusted-host pypi.org install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary Using pip 24.0 from /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.12/site-packages/pip (python 3.12) ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement wheel (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for wheel The same error shows up if I try to install just mailman or psycopg2-binary, except the word "wheel" is replace with whichever package I've requested. I've rerun the apt install of python3-dev and python3-venv to make sure those are present and up to date. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. -- Henry Hartley Westat

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mail loops back to myself
by Florian Sukup June 13, 2025

June 13, 2025

Hi, I've spent hours on finding the error but no success. I hope you can help: I am running Debian with older version of mailman3 (3.3.3) and postfix (3.5). Postfix on its own is working fine. I set up mailman, created a site/domain (lists.yyy.com) My hostname is host.xxx.com . My IP has a RDNS entry: reverse.rrr.com . When I send an email to my mailing list mylist(a)lists.yyy.com I receive an error email. The logfile says the following: ... Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/smtpd[]: connect from host.xxx.com[m.y.i.p] Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/relay/smtp[]: warning: host reverse.rrr.com[178.251.71.190]:25 greeted me with my own hostname host.xxx.com Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/relay/smtp[]: warning: host reverse.rrr.com[m.y.i.p]:25 replied to HELO/EHLO with my own hostname host.xxx.com Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/relay/smtp[]: 094895FADB: to=<mylist(a)lists.yyy.com>, relay=reverse.rrr.com[m.y.i.p]:25, delay=0.06, delays=0.03/0.01/0.02/0, dsn=5.4.6, status=bounced (mail for lists.yyy.com loops back to myself) Jun 9 00:23:38 arvak postfix/smtpd[114119]: disconnect from host.xxx.com[m.y.i.p] ehlo=1 quit=1 commands=2 ... The MX record of lists.yyy.com points to reverse.rrr.com. Not sure if this is the best idea? Can anyone give me a hint where to search for this error? Thanks a lot in advance! Florian.

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Full-text searching: why Haystack instead of PostgreSQL?
by admin＠bclug.ca June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

I've been asked to give a presentation on a recent migration from MMv2 to MMv3 and one of the items in my notes is the question about why Haystack is used for full-text searching instead of PostgreSQL? Can someone shed some light on that decision? Thanks

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"to" Headers for Non-Anonymous lists
by Dan Caballero June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

Hello, At the request of a list owner, we changed the settings on a list to "Anonymous = No" so that list members could see who a message was coming from. It seems a side effect of the setting is that users are now using "reply-to" and some messages are going out to the list addressed in the manner below. "Last Name, First Name via list-name <list-name(a)caltech.edu>" The list owner feels this is confusing and some members may inadvertently email the list when they intend to email the individual. I understand this is likely a client side caching issue since most email clients create an index of contacts based on previously received emails. Aside from reverting back to "Anonymous = Yes", is there any setting we can change at the list level to force the "to" field to persist as the list email address? Thanks in advance for your help. ---- Dan Caballero Systems Administrator Academic Computing Solutions IMSS - Caltech https://imss.caltech.edu

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"this held message has been lost"
by Ethan Furman June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

I have now seen this message on two different occasions. Any ideas on what is happening? Happy to provide additional information if I am told what is needed (and how to get it -- I'm a web moderator for the list without access to the machine it runs on). :) -- ~Ethan~

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FW: You have been invited to join the ssan@lists.ccalternatives.org mailing list.
by Christian June 9, 2025

June 9, 2025

Thank you. When I as an admin invite someone to join a list through the web interface, this is the email the invitee receives. Note that it doesn't even have the Description from List Settings > List Identity. What's going on here? -----Original Message----- From: ssan-confirm+40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60(a)lists.ccalternatives.o rg <ssan-confirm+40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60(a)lists.ccalternatives. org> Sent: Friday, June 6, 2025 4:48 AM To: jack(a)safecomputing.org Subject: You have been invited to join the ssan(a)lists.ccalternatives.org mailing list. Your address "jack(a)safecomputing.org" has been invited to join the ssan mailing list at lists.ccalternatives.org by the ssan mailing list owner. You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message. Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to ssan-request(a)lists.ccalternatives.org: confirm 40d4507f7198e14bfd6ad89565461f782e099d60 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this message. If you have any questions, please send them to ssan-owner(a)lists.ccalternatives.org.

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Join a Mailman 3 list?
by Cathryn McGuire June 9, 2025

June 9, 2025

Hi, We’re currently hosted by EMWD who upgraded the Mailman 2 cPanel/Python and have been unable to resolve the issues we’re experiencing. We would like to join a Mailman 3 list to see how it all looks and works. Do you have any recommendation? Best, Cathryn McGuire

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Threads by month dropdown
by Sam Darwin June 7, 2025

June 7, 2025

Hi, After running hyperkitty_import to import thousands of emails from mailman2 (the years 2013-2025) I then ran another import for years 2004-2013 from another mbox file. It was an entirely earlier timeframe, which may be relevant. After the first import, the "Threads by month" dropdown showed 2013-2025. After the second import, the "Threads by month" dropdown showed 2013-2025. That is, 2004-2013 are missing. I have tried various things, including the mailman3-web cron maintenance tasks, waiting a day, and rebooting the server to clear memory. All messages were imported, and can be seen in "All threads". The messages are there. The only problem is the "Threads by month" dropdown. Beyond the dropdown, everything seems fine. Could it be a bug? Should I open an issue? Or, what should I try next? Is there a "refresh all threads by month" specific task? Deleting all archives and importing the older messages first... that worked correctly. It is a large destructive actions though, should that count as the official solution? Detour: While debugging it seemed to be an interesting question whether the mailman3-web periodic cron tasks had been running, and if those tasks affected the hyperkitty import. Referring to "Cron Jobs for Mailman Web" https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#cron-jobs-for-m… Those instructions are not dumping stdout/stderr to a log file, nor rotating the log files. What is your opinion if I sent a pull request that adds "Method 2 - Advanced", and include logging for the crons. Or maybe I am missing something. Is the output of the cron tasks getting logged in your environment?

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What is the best practice creating lists triggered by a another / second system?
by Christian Schneider June 6, 2025

June 6, 2025

Dear MM-Users, after reading a lot in the projects documentation of mailman3 I am not sure how to set up a "connection" between another system/server (running a self-service portal for our users) and the mailman3 server (venv-installation) for creating lists (giving a list owner's email address and a customized list style, given by name). On our old mailman-2.1 instance I used an ssh-tunnel and triggered the newlist-command with appropriate parameters. This seems a little bit outdated to me - nowadays... ;-) So I read about the rest api of mailman3 and thought, I might give it a go... On the other hand the rest api should not be exposed externally (localhost-only) as said here: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… Running an nginx reverse proxy (and a firewall for the complete subnet) I am able to give dedicated access to the api but nevertheless I have no good feeling going this way... So my question is: What would be the best way to trigger creation of lists using a second system? Thank you for any suggestions! Chris

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Recently active discussions - Hyperkitty
by Sam Darwin June 5, 2025

June 5, 2025

Hi, Sometimes not sure if it's preferable to open a gitlab issue, or chat on the mailing list. I have run a large archive import into mailman3/hyperkitty. After that's done, waited a day, for scheduled cron jobs to complete. In "All Threads", all the email archives are present. The import worked. In "RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS" on the main page, it says: RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS No discussions this month (yet). Nothing there. That means if I direct users to visit the site, the page, it appears empty. That's too bad. :-) It should display recent emails. What would affect this feature during an archive import? Is it a problem with the import script itself, or with a scheduled cron job, or something else? Would you expect "Recently active discussions" be empty when very recent archives do exist? Thanks, Sam

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CPU usage when idle
by roughnecks May 29, 2025

May 29, 2025

Hello, if you look at this graph you'll notice how my VPS "reacted" after mailman3 install. It's a Debian stable host, and I installed packages via apt. I mean, isn't this a bit too much for a software that is idle, because no lists are currently in use? RED is my VPS, the other colors are other machines. Thanks -- roughnecks ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/jpeg Name: raw (1).jpg

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Unable to update templates
by Mark May 29, 2025

May 29, 2025

Hi, I'm unable to update the custom welcome template (list:user:notice:welcome) after it's initial creation. When the custom welcome template is created (in Postorius), and a user then subscribed by the list-owner (using mass subscribe), the welcome message is received as expected. However when I update the template, the databases are updated correctly but the Welcome message is still sent with the old template content. mailman.templates mailmanweb.postorius_emailtemplate Additionally, if I delete the template and create a new one the old content still gets sent. I cannot find where this content is written or is being cached. Any clues on tracking this bugbear down gratefully received. Regards, Mark $ mailman info GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0] config file: /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg db url: postgresql://******:******@localhost/mailman devmode: DISABLED REST root url: http://localhost:8001/3.1/ -- Installed with venv. ===================== Query to DB - mailman ===================== SELECT URI FROM TEMPLATE WHERE NAME = 'list:user:notice:welcome' AND context = 'testlist.example.com'; ====================== Result (all directories and file owned by 'mailman' with '765' permissions) ====================== file:///templates/list/testlist.example.com/list:user:notice:welcome ====================== Content of above Welcome file ====================== This is the second test Welcome message. ====================== Text of the welcome message actually received. (It's the content of the first custom template.) ====================== This is the first test message to Welcome new members.

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Re: MM broken after proxy migration (Nginx -> Caddy)
by Andreas Kemper May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Hi Stephen, thanks for the comprehensive explanations and sorry for initially not answering to the list (I expected this to be the default behaviour). Afterall it turned out that my mailman.db was somehow broken, even though I couldn't find any fishy / strange things in Postorius. Since anyhow just a few lists are hosted on the server and subscriptions for most of them being managed fron another program, I decided to remove MM3 completely and start with a fresh configuration. BR Andreas Am 28.05.2025 um 18:16 schrieb Stephen J. Turnbull: > Hi Andreas > > Andreas Kemper writes: > > > thanks for the quick response. > > Please reply to list (personal mail doesn't get read any faster) or to > all (I don't mind getting the duplicate). The odds are quite good > that somebody else will be able to reply before I do (I live in Japan, > normally I wouldn't be up now ;-). > > > Agree there, even though I haven't found any "settings.py" file in > > my Debian 12 installation yet. > > Normally the override settings.py is in /etc/mailman3/settings.py. If > you have no overrides, I don't know where Debian would put it. There > are actually several in the distribution where the highest levels are > normally in site-packages/mailman_web/settings/*.py (*not* named > "settings.py", I think they are "base.py" and "mailman.py"). Come to > think of it, I'm not sure whether Debian would put mailman and > mailman_web in site-packages or somewhere else. :-( (I'm a Debian > user since 1997, but my mission-critical applications are installed > from source.) > > > Hmm, executing > > > > sudo -u list mailman stop followed by > > sudo -u list mailman start > > > > first deletes and afterwards recreates the lock files, > > That is the expected behavior if Mailman is running normally. Are you > sure there's actually a recurring problem? Or did Mailman just crash > once, and the problem was the stale master lockfile? > > > where both of them are dated in the future, > > Also expected. I forget exactly what expiration of the lock file > triggers, but there's some regularly scheduled cleanup that happens > then. > > > plus mailman.log has a duplicate line in the end, > > It's a duplicate because the default is for there to be two processes > serving the REST API. This is configurable. See more comments at the > end. > > > even though I couldn't seen any mailman-related process (ps auxw | > > grep mailman) after stopping it. > > If the process is named by the full path to the executable, then you > will see "mailman", but if I recall correctly on Debian the Mailman > processes run under the users "list" for Mailman core, and "www-data" > for the web UIs. The various components run under different names: > master, nntp, lmtp, command, rest, etc. I forget what process names > you would see for the Django processes. > > > In doubt I will simply redirect the specific paths, mainly > > /accounts/fedora, > > That makes sense as the earlier you reject a connection the less > resources are used by your server, and the less information can leak > to an attacker. > > > small addition to my previous post. "ps auxw" shows in total three > > process for MM's rest component, i. e. > > > python3 /usr/lib/mailman3/bin/runner -C /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg --runner=rest:0:1 > > > To serve ports 8000 and 8001, I would have expected two processes, > > but to see three of them surprises me somewhat. > > It's not uncommon for moderators to go AWOL, or for somebody to spam > the server with either posts or subscription activity, and end up with > hundreds or thousands of entries in the pending requests table. > Serving those queries can take a long timemany seconds or even time > out. Mailman core deals with it in the least complex, most robust way > imaginable: it runs more REST API server processes. (3 total by > default. One is the "master" that handles requests from the Django > apps and communication with Mailman core and starts new workers when > old ones exit or crash. Two are "workers" that actually handle a > certain number of requests then exit.) By default Mailman is > configured to use up to four when really busy, but normally there are > only two. > > Django runs only one -- it deals with concurrent requests in a > different way. > > Steve >

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Hyperkitty archive: date format in thread overview of list does not honor DATETIME_FORMAT of settings.py
by Christian Schneider May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Dear mailman community, with the help of you I was able to set up a new mailman3 environment (a big THANK YOU!!! :-)): OS: Ubuntu 24.04-LTS mailman: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python: 3.12.3 (main, Feb 4 2025, 14:48:35) [GCC 13.3.0] Method: Python Virtual Environment Installation My configuration files are placed in the following directory: /etc/mailman3 - gunicorn.py - mailman.cfg - settings.py The environment is up and running: A list for testing is set up and mails are transfered (and archived) using the test-list - successfully... :-) Looking at the thread overview of the list (in Hyperkitty archives) I realized that the shown date format is unusual (for Germany), like: Do Mai 22, 3:57 nachm. (meaning: Thu May 22, 3:57 p.m.) I would prefer a format like: 22-05-2025 15:57:24 So I tried to reconfigure this setting in settings.py according to this URL: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html#configure-postorius-hyp… In settings.py I set DATETIME_FORMAT to 'd-m-Y H:i:s' but the format did not change. (After changing settings.py I initiated a restart of mailman3 and mailmanweb) I also set USE_L10N to False as suggested in Django-Docs: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/3.1/ref/settings/#std:setting-DATETIME_FO… My /etc/mailman3/settings.py is parsed - as far as I can say because changing USE_I18N to false (in /etc/mailman3/settings.py) switches date to English as this is my locales-setting on Ubuntu... Nevertheless the format stays the same (in this case: Thu May 22, 3:57 p.m.) How can I adjust the date format (in the discussion boxes) at the thread overview page (url: https://my-domain.de/archives/list/test-list@lists.my-domain.de/)? Any hint is appreciated! Thank you very much and kind regards Christian

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Place holders
by Mark May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Hi, The place holders listed as available on the "Add new template" page are: $hyperkitty_url $listname $list_id: $display_name $short_listname: $domain $info $request_email $owner_email $site_email $language The only one that seems to sort of work on my template is $list_id - which displays as "testlist". (I was expecting to see "testlist(a)example.com"). The others just get displayed as a variable. Eg. $owner_email Have I missed a setting somewhere? Regards, Mark GNU Mailman 3.3.9 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.2 (main, Mar 13 2023, 12:18:29) [GCC 12.2.0]

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list's RSS feed has wrong URLs (base path instead of subdomain)
by Simone May 28, 2025

May 28, 2025

Hello, very new to mailman :) I have set this up and it's working well so far, but today I noticed that links in list's RSS feed point to https://mydomain.tld, while mailman is running on https://lists.mydomain.tld. I wouldn't know how to fix this.. any hints? Thanks

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MM broken after proxy migration (Nginx -> Caddy)
by Andreas Kemper May 27, 2025

May 27, 2025

Hi, I've been running MM 3 for quite some time, with a couple of lists including members managed via the REST-API from an external program. After some issues with LetsEncrypt certificates, I migrated the HTTPs proxy from previous Nginx now to Caddy with the following Caddyfile: https://listen.dlc-aachen.de { header Strict-Transport-Security max-age=31536000; # Disable access to archive and registration redir /hyperkitty* https://listen.dlc-aachen.de redir /accounts/signup* https://listen.dlc-aachen.de reverse_proxy localhost:8000 { header_up X-Forwarded-Proto {scheme} header_up X-Forwarded-Host {host} } handle_path /static/* { file_server { root /var/lib/mailman3/web/static } } } Following this change, list continued operation as usual, but after a few days it seemed to be attacked via it's GUI, according to the attached Django error message. Since then mailman doesn't send out anymore mails and I have a persistent master.lck file. Furthermore, during mailman start smtp.log always shows a "Connection lost during _handle_client()". I guess the connection loss is related to the master.lck file, hence how can I get rid of it / "reset" mailman? In addion, should I include further directives in my Caddyfile in order to protect mailman from coming attacks? Thx a lot Andreas

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Django: An error occurred while processing your request.
by Florian Sukup May 27, 2025

May 27, 2025

Hi, I running Debian bookworm and have installed mailman3-full (+ postfix). I am new to mailman3 (using mailman2 now) and about exploring how to migrate. I had 3 sites or domains: example.com and two real ones. When I received emails from postorius, then it came from example.com which is nonsense as I worked with the real lists. So I deleted example.com. When I call https://.../mailman3/admin or any of the lists, the result is: Server error An error occurred while processing your request. How can I get out of it? This is only a test environment, so no heart attack. Thank you for any help. Florian.

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Masking email addresses in the archives
by Odhiambo Washington May 26, 2025

May 26, 2025

I must have missed this if it was ever discussed, but is it possible to mask the list members' email addresses in the archives? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Moderation -- implicit destination behavior
by Steve Bachinsky May 24, 2025

May 24, 2025

Hi. We have noticed some posts being held for moderation (even though user has permission to post to list) and Mailman reports: moderation_reasons: ['Message has implicit destination’] The lists are configured for “require_explicit_destination”. However, the email address of the list is clearly in the CC: header of the email (no alias or subdomain). Is there some other reason why Mailman would hold an email for moderation with the reason of “implicit destination”? This moderation is not consistent for same list and poster. The emails come from a large domain with multiple load-balancing email servers. I suspect that it may be something with one or more of the servers being misconfigured, but unable to see anything obvious from the headers and confused why Mailman states the reason to be implicit destination when that does not seem to be the cause. Thanks, Steve

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Execute assorted Mailman functions via Mailman shell terminal
by Andy Matthews May 15, 2025

May 15, 2025

When my company migrated from MM2 to MM3, they discovered there were things that didn't work as expected (don't get me started). So they developed a set of Python functions which allowed then to fill in the missing functionality. However, they've discovered that some of those functions either never worked properly, or no longer work. For example, ``` def list_nonmembers(mlist): for accepted in mlist.accept_these_nonmembers: print("Accepted: ",accepted) for held in mlist.hold_these_nonmembers: print("Held: ",held) ``` They're run by shelling into the machine which hosts mailman and executed like so (where scripts is `scripts.py`) ``` sudo -iu mailman mailman shell -l MAILING_LIST_ID --run scripts.list_nonmembers ``` I'm recommending that we install Postorius, as I suspect many of the functions they've written are already present in that UI, but it's not as simple as that. Instead they're wanting a handful of these functions (including the one listed above) replaced sooner than we could get Postorius up and running. I've gotten this far: ``` from mailman.interfaces.listmanager import IListManager from zope.component import getUtility mylist_id = 'bravo-open1(a)tena-sda.org' list_manager = getUtility(IListManager) mylist = list_manager.get(mylist_id) ``` The mylist variable is of type `mailman.model.mailinglist.MailingList`, and includes an Attributes for nonmembers: ``` mylist.nonmembers <mailman.model.roster.NonmemberRoster object at 0x7ffffa3e65b0> ``` But this nonmembers property doesn't output any users/addresses when printed, and throws a TypeError when I try to iterate over it: ``` Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: 'NonmemberRoster' object is not iterable ``` So, given a mailing list instance, retrieved via `list_manager.get(mylist_id)`, how would I go about printing all nonmembers and their current roles in a list (held, accepted, etc.)? Alternately, is there a different question I should be asking in order to retrieve that information?

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Mass subscription and Delivery mode/status
by Andreas Vetter May 14, 2025

May 14, 2025

Hello all, we run a venv installation of "mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web". When I mass subscribe (pre-verified) a new mail address into a list, the Delivery mode appears as Regular in /mailman3/lists/somelist.example.com/members/member/ That is what I expect. When I click on the new mail address from there, i.e. mailman3/lists/somelist.example.com/members/options/eimer@mail.org?role=mem… the Delivery status is ----- instead of Enabled and the Delivery mode is ----- instead of Regular. In fact, all yes/no radio buttons are unset. This is unexpected. What does ----- mean in that case? Is it unset and some default (from the list?) is used? After thinking another round about it: Is the view mailman3/lists/somelist.example.com/members/options/eimer@mail.org?role=mem… only filled with values, when somebody (member, list owner or admin) actively set values and unfilled otherwise? -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter

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Bots outbreak - Subscriptions pending user confirmation (58)
by Odhiambo Washington May 14, 2025

May 14, 2025

Daily, I am getting not less than 50 "Subscriptions pending user confirmation". There must be a way to stop them. I am using https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… already. <Location /accounts/signup> <Limit POST PUT DELETE> Order allow,deny Allow from all Include /opt/mailman/tor-exit-list.conf </Limit> </Location> wash@eu:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled$ cat /opt/mailman/tor-exit-list.conf | wc -l 2081 Does this mean the restrictions aren't caching them? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html]

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Can mailman3 use google or cloudflare captcha ?
by Kim Sunggun May 13, 2025

May 13, 2025

Hello, I can setup client side for any of captcha in /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_mailman3/templates/account/login.html. However, I don't understand where I should I put captcha code(Server-side validation) for mailman3. is there any tip to setup captcha ?

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alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by xx
by Lars Bjørndal May 13, 2025

May 13, 2025

I upgraded my Fedora distro from v.40-41. I did pip install wheel mailman psycopg2-binary When running the mailman command, I get alembic.util.exc.CommandError: Can't locate revision identified by '8cc1f79f4459' How do I solve this? Thanks, Lars

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Which file does 'account_login' in login.html point to?
by Kim Sunggun May 8, 2025

May 8, 2025

In /opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/django_mailman3/templates/account/ <form class="login form-horizontal" method="POST" action="{% url 'account_login' %}"> #<-----------Here {% bootstrap_form_horizontal form 2 4 %} {% if redirect_field_value %} <input type="hidden" name="{{ redirect_field_name }}" value="{{ redirect_field_value }}" /> {% endif %} <div class="form-group"> <div class="offset-md-2 col-md-4"> <button class="btn btn-primary" type="submit">{% trans "Sign In" %}</button>   <a href="{% url 'account_reset_password' %}">{% trans "Forgot Password?" %}</a> </div> </div> </form>

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Exception when rendering certain emails ([Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error...)
by Matt Blissett May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

Hi, I get exceptions logged when certain pages in the email archives (imported from Mailman 2) are opened. For example, this thread: https://lists.tdwg.org/archives/list/tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJ… Could this be a bug in parsing the message? It's deployed using the maxking Docker packages, v0.5.3b1. Thanks, Matt Log follows: Internal Server Error: /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies AssertionError at /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies No exception message supplied Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.tdwg.org/archives/list/tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJ… Django Version: 4.2.20 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.12.10 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages'] Server time: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 15:04:09 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 269, in replies replies_html = replies_tpl.render(context, request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 238, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 208, in render return template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 177, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1064, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 742, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/templatetags/decorate.py", line 42, in render return mark_safe(text_renderer(content)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 120, in __call__ return self.parse(s)[0] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 93, in parse self.block.parse(state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 368, in parse_block_quote text, end_pos = self.extract_block_quote(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 345, in extract_block_quote end_pos = self.parse_method(m4, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 387, in parse_list return parse_list(self, m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 64, in parse_list groups = _parse_list_item(block, bullet, groups, token, state, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 174, in _parse_list_item block.parse(child, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 214, in parse_method assert lastgroup ^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: AssertionError at /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies Raised during: hyperkitty.views.thread.replies Request information: USER: mailman-admin GET: sort = 'thread' last_view = '' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' sessionid = '********************'

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configuring postfix local recipient table
by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

**System Key Data** OS: Debian 12 mailman: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python: Python 3.11.2 (main, Nov 30 2024, 21:22:50) [GCC 12.2.0] Method: Python Virtual Environment Installation Ahoi, i am trying to configure a mailman3 instance to replace a mailman2 installation (both on different hosts). The mm3 instance is actually not reachable (Incoming) but can send (Outgoing), as is the desired state to be (we intend to swap IPs during change of systems). A. Verify Incoming To verify that emails send to the MTA (postfix) get properly handled and handed over to the mm3-instance i tried to substitute incoming email by a) swaks utility [1] (fail) b) telnet utility [2] (fail) c) command ''mailman inject'' [3] (success) With c) i copied a former generate testmail-file to the mm3-host and injected it directly to my testlist (leaving out the MTA). With a) and b) i tried to hand over a testmail via CLI to the MTA (postfix) what resulted in the error: "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table" B. /etc/postfix/main.cfg A search in mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives [4] pointed me to the configuration of postfix as MTA [5], especially settings with the 'local_recipients_maps' parameter that should be set like [5]: local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp what i did / already had done. C. aliasing, restarting services and test without , I then restarted postfix, rebuilt the postfix aliases (command ''newaliases'') and rebuilt the mailman aliases (command ''mailman aliases''), even tried with space-separation instead of coma-separation [6], testet again with same result. D. empty /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp and then i just found out that my postfix_lmpt file was empty (that i believe to be the the place from where the hastables take their input). Questions: 1. could somebody suggest a way, an entry should occur in postfix_lmtp? 2. What would be the appropriate order to manually generate aliases? first: postfix-command ''newaliases'' and second: mailman-command ''mailman aliases'' or reverse? 3. finding traces [7] of a file called postfix.cfg i can't find it (anymore) in the official installation instructions. Is that file (still?) necessary regarding: 3.1 parameter for default lookup table type 3.2 pointing to command ''postmap'' 4. to what user should the command ''postmap'' be available [8]? Any pointer to manuals or examples i may have missed or ideas on any of those 4 questions would be greatly appreciated. lg alexander Sources: [1] swaks utility https://jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/ [2] telnet utility https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet [3] command ''mailman inject'' https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… [4] search mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives 'user unknown in local recipient table' https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/search?q=user+unknown+in+local+recipien… [5] docs mm3: 'Hooking up your mail server' https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… [6] docs postfix: local_recipient_maps https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#local_recipient_maps [7] traces of postfix.cfg + https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… + https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [8] docs mm3: transport maps (regarding command ''postmap'') https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…

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acceptable_aliases not updating venv/data/postfix_lmtp
by Stefan Bauer May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

Dear Users, I'm trying to use acceptable_aliases for a specific list; Setting is also active; # curl -s -q --user restadmin:..... http://localhost:8001/3.1/lists/postmaster@domain/config | jq { "acceptable_aliases": [ "abuse@domain" ], However venv/data/postfix_lmtp does not contain abuse@domain, so postfix rejects the mail. What am i doing wrong? Mailman 3.3.9 Thanks in advance Stefan

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Log Owner/Moderator actions ban address matching.
by Hitashi mancho May 1, 2025

May 1, 2025

Dear All, In Mailman 3, is there any way we can log the Owner/Moderator actions like moderator "x" approved the posting on list(a)example.com? Also, I have configured some local ban lists and some global ban lists as per my organization's policy. In my setup, I observed that when someone from the ban list posts to the list, that posting goes into a blackhole without leaving any trace. I may have made some configuration mistakes, but can we log the ban list matching or generate a notification if some postings match the ban list? Regards, Hitachi.

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Mailman not starting after restoring from snapshot
by zachr＠mta.ca April 28, 2025

April 28, 2025

I made a snapshot of my mailman3 VM before running a script to modify a bunch of lists. I stupidly did not turn the VM off before I made the snapshot, so Im almost certain this is a corrupted DB problem from doing a snapshot restore. The issue is now that the mailman service will not start automatically. Im able to get to the web interface but I see the error "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." I can su to the mailman user and run 'mailman start -f' which seems to get things going again and shows the lists as they were before the snapshot, which is good, but I would like to get the issue fixed so that services start normally. Any help is appreciated. Here is some terminal output: ===================== ''' root@mlist3:~# systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2025-04-28 13:24:43 UTC; 1min 39s ago Process: 1873 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) CPU: 776ms Apr 28 13:24:42 mlist3 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. root@mlist3:~# systemctl start mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xeu mailman3.service" for details. root@mlist3:~# journalctl -xeu mailman3.service ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 662. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 662 and the job result is failed. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1074. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1074 and the job result is failed. ''' ====================================== Thank you in advance for any assistance.

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Info mails to list owners have "user@example.com" as from address (bounce score incremented)
by Ulf R. April 25, 2025

April 25, 2025

Hello, mails to list owners with subjects like <Mailaddress>'s bounce score incremented on <MyListName> comes from "user(a)example.com". Where is the right place to change this? We never defined this mail address anywhere. Thank you very much!

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Getting an error for every post made to any list
by sun zi April 23, 2025

April 23, 2025

As mentioned in the subject, I am getting the following error after every post. Any assistance would be much appreciated: --- ERROR 2025-04-22 11:21:21,356 11617 django.request Internal Server Error: /archives/api/mailman/archive Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 916, in get_or_create return self.get(**kwargs), False ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 637, in get raise self.model.DoesNotExist( hyperkitty.models.sender.Sender.DoesNotExist: Sender matching query does not exist. During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ psycopg2.errors.StringDataRightTruncation: value too long for type character varying(255) The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/decorators/http.py", line 43, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 117, in _decorator return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/views/decorators/csrf.py", line 56, in wrapper_view return view_func(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/mailman.py", line 163, in archive add_to_list(mlist_fqdn, msg) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/incoming.py", line 95, in add_to_list sender = Sender.objects.get_or_create(address=sender_address)[0] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 87, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 923, in get_or_create return self.create(**params), True ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 658, in create obj.save(force_insert=True, using=self.db) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 814, in save self.save_base( File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 877, in save_base updated = self._save_table( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 1020, in _save_table results = self._do_insert( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/base.py", line 1061, in _do_insert return manager._insert( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/manager.py", line 87, in manager_method return getattr(self.get_queryset(), name)(*args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 1805, in _insert return query.get_compiler(using=using).execute_sql(returning_fields) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1822, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 80, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute with self.db.wrap_database_errors: File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 91, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.11/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 89, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ django.db.utils.DataError: value too long for type character varying(255)

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Moderator e-mails only going out once a day
by jkoral＠luc.edu April 22, 2025

April 22, 2025

Hi, I have just got done migrating from MM2 to MM3 and the users are experiencing issues with their moderated messages. After the message is sent, the moderator does not know about the message until the next day. I checked the maillogs and all those messages are being sent at the same time around midnight. I also noticed the messages are being sent from user(a)example.com, which I switched in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg to a generic e-mail address. Is there a way to change those moderator e-mails to send right away? Does having user(a)example.com in the config affect that? Thank you in advance, Joe

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Upgrade docker-mailman to v0.5.2
by Christopher April 21, 2025

April 21, 2025

Hi Abhilash, I checkout the v0.5.2 for testing my upgrade from 0.4.6 and noticed, that the docker-image-version is still set to 0.4 in docker-compose.yaml. Is there any reason for it or should it be set to 0.5? I´m still using my good old mariadb. I did not find any upgrade-informations about breaking-changes. Do you have any experience with migrating from 0.4.6 to 0.5.2 on mariadb? Best regards Chrclaus

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posting bounced with 501 Message has defects
by Hitashi mancho April 21, 2025

April 21, 2025

Dear All, One of our users posted an email using a Bluemail Desktop client on one of the mailing lists. This email bounced with the reason "501 Message has defects". However, it gets accepted if the same user posts the same email on the same mailing list using Webmail (RoundCube) or Thunderbird. There is nothing in mailman.log and bounce.log, even in debug mode. Following is the SMTP log for the same email posting and the email header. Any guidance in debugging this will be highly appreciated. Regards, Hitachi. *SMTP.LOG:* Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) Available AUTH mechanisms: LOGIN(builtin) PLAIN(builtin) Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) Peer: ('127.0.0.1', 44502) Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) handling connection Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'220 lists.example.com GNU Mailman LMTP runner 2.0' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'LHLO lists\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'LHLO lists' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b' 250-lists.example.com' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250-SIZE 33554432' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250-8BITMIME' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250 HELP' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'MAIL FROM:< user1(a)example.com> SIZE=3086\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'MAIL FROM:< user1(a)example.com> SIZE=3086' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) sender: user1(a)example.com Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250 OK' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'RCPT TO:< prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'RCPT TO:< prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) recip: prodlist-mm3(a)example.com Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'250 Ok' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'DATA\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'DATA' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from relay.example.com (relay.example.com [10.198.5.2])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tby lists (Postfix) with QMQP id 9AFF48D\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tfor < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530 (IST)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Delivered-To: CLUSTERHOST relay.example.com prodlist-mm3(a)example.com\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: (qmail 7951 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.example.com) ([10.198.12.2])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' (envelope-sender < user1(a)example.com>)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' by relay.example.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' for < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: (qmail 2533 invoked by uid 510); 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from 10.198.12.3 by smtp2 (envelope-from < user1(a)example.com>, uid 501) with qmail-scanner-2.11\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' spamassassin: 3.4.1. mhr: 1.0. {clamdscan: 0.100.0/26337} \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' Clear:RC:1(10.198.12.3):SA:0(-6.0/7.0):. Processed in 3.727185 secs; 21 Apr 2025 18:00:47 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp2.example.com\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Level: \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.0 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_20,HTML_MESSAGE,\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tIITB_ORIG,IITB_TARGET_ADDRESS,INTRA_IITB_MAIL,PROPER_IITB_MSGID\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tautolearn=disabled version=3.4.1\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times.\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Envelope-From: user1(a)example.com\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Qmail-Scanner-Mime-Attachments: |\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'X-Qmail-Scanner-Zip-Files: |\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.example.com) (10.198.12.3)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' by smtp2.example.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2025 18:00:43 +0530\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from smtp-auth.example.com (smtpauth1.example.com [10.198.8.1])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tby smtp3.example.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70D4341971\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tfor < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:00:43 +0530 (IST)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Received: from localhost ( pruthvi.example.com [10.100.100.95])\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\t(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits))\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\t(No client certificate requested)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\t(Authenticated sender: user1(a)example.com)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tby smtp-auth.example.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB0CB30C340\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\tfor < prodlist-mm3(a)example.com>; Mon, 21 Apr 2025 18:00:43 +0530 (IST)\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Type: multipart/alternative;\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738"\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'From: user1 < user1(a)example.com>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Subject: test mail 14\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'To: prodlist-mm3(a)example.com \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Message-Id: < 934811260a4bf.44bbdcec3e1d9(a)example.com>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:30:38 +0000\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'MIME-Version: 1.0\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'------sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Type: text/plain\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'test mail 14 Get BlueMail for Desktop\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'------sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'<html><head></head><body><div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper">test mail 14</div><div \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper"><br></div><div dir="auto" \r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'id="compose-body-wrapper"><br>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto"><br></div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto" id="tmjah_g_1299">\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' Get BlueMail for Desktop\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' </div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' <div dir="auto"><br></div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' </div>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b' </div></body></html>\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'------sinikael-?=_1-17452386440190.1454723563624738--\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) DATA readline: b'.\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'501 Message has defects' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) _handle_client readline: b'QUIT\r\n' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) >> b'QUIT' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) << b'221 Bye' Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) connection lost Apr 21 18:00:47 2025 (1979121) ('127.0.0.1', 44502) Connection lost during _handle_client() *EMAIL HEADER:* Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503" From: user1 <user1(a)example.com> Subject: test mail 14 To: prodlist-mm3(a)example.com Message-Id: <934811260a4bf.44bbdcec3e1d9(a)example.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:30:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 ------sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test mail 14 Get BlueMail for Desktop ------sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head></head><body><div> <div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper">test mail 14</div><div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper"><br></div><div dir="auto" id="compose-body-wrapper"><br> <div dir="auto"><br></div> <div dir="auto" id="tmjah_g_1299"> Get BlueMail for Desktop </div> <div dir="auto"><br></div> </div> </div></body></html> ------sinikael-?=_1-17452386441150.6962994414278503--

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Setup Question: Disk-Layout (Migrating from Mailman 2.1)
by christian.schneider＠tu-dortmund.de April 21, 2025

April 21, 2025

Hello, actually I am running the latest available Mailman-2 Version on Ubuntu 20.04! Now it is really time to move on! :-) I want to set up a new server (Ubuntu-24.04) and install Mailman-3 with the Virtualenv setup method: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html As I know from my old Mailman-2.1 the archives could get quite big... ;-) So it seems very important to provide enough (expandable) disk space at the right place. (I plan to use a seperate partition with LVM for the path in question) But I could find no information about the location where hyperkitty stores the archives on an Ubuntu-/Linux-system. I assume the archives are stored underneath "/var/..." this is only a guess. But is this guess right? Another question is: How much space do I have to plan (roughly) for the "/opt"-partition for the mailman install if the archives are stored under "/var/..."? Any guidance ist very much appreciated! Thank you very much Chris

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moving from sqlite3 to postgresql
by Michael Richardson April 20, 2025

April 20, 2025

Hi, I installed mailman3 a few years ago on lists.sandelman.ca aka lists.tcpdump.org. My upgrade was in part a response to the HTTP based attacks that used the signup form on mailman2 to attack people via SMTP with DOS. I know the IETF mailman2 install {now gone} had some kind of delay implemented in the web form before you could submit. I didn't understand why. I installed via debian packages, and I'd really prefer to stay with that. (Not what many maintainers would say, I know. Essential that it work if mailman3 is going to take over) There were problems, probably with the hyperkitty integration with subsequent updates seemed to solve. I installed with sqlite3, since it seemed if all work was going to go through the mailman3 daemon, that it would handle all the concurrency issues. This has not been the case. I get weekly complaints about the database being locked. Sometimes this goes way on it's own, but sometimes it does not. A good way to tickle this is to go the web interface, go to a list with 200 held messages, and then having told it to show me 100+ messages per page, to then tell it to discard them all. So slow. Before I realized what was going on, I'd open multiple tabs to try to make this concurrent. So I tried to switch last week from sqlite3 to postgresql. I used pgloader with a configuration file attached below. This seemed easier than a sqlite3 dump/psql, as the SQL requires some massaging that seeemed to require more brainpower than I had at the time. I then edited /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg to suit. I had set up the postgresql database under the "list" owner, so unix-domain socket permissions, and restarted. I then saw some errors: lists not found! I visited the web interface. NO LISTS. DAMN. I put it back. I haven't figured out what went wrong yet. I will clone the VM and try again. I will report whatever I find here. === load database from '/var/lib/mailman3/mailman.db' into postgresql:///mailman3 with include drop, create tables, create indexes, reset sequences set work_mem to '16MB', maintenance_work_mem to '512 MB'; === ps: I'd pay some $$ money for email support consulting.

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Disabling "delete account" option
by Hitashi mancho April 19, 2025

April 19, 2025

Dear all, Recently, I have migrated from Mailman2 to Mailman3 GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python 3.11.9 Some of the list users logged into Postorius and went to profile settings. Over there, they found an option "Delete Account". Without any discussion, they deleted their account and all their list membership. How can we prevent this from happening? Is it possible to disable this "Delete Account" option, or can we add some admin approval? Regards, Hitachi. ___________________________________________ Mailman's content filtering has removed the following MIME parts from this message. Content-Type: image/png Name: firefox_lMnN5UcNTB.png Replaced multipart/alternative part with first alternative.

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Do you struggle with message rejected. AUP#CDRBL while using mailman with your ISP email relay?
by Michael Richardson April 18, 2025

April 18, 2025

I'm impressed by Philip Bondi's use of mailman[23] for home financial automation. ("Take off Eh!") ... It seems like a ticketing system would be a better system for such a use... maybe the IETF SML WG will further help with this.. (I find most Canadian financial institutions are so far behind the curve) I think that your email is hosted by hostedemail.com? I'm guessing that "eshop" is the mailbox you use for these common notices, and maybe you retrieve that into your mailman3 with fetchmail or something? Or does your ISP turn around and SMTP to you directly? Is it your MTA, their MTA, or mailman that is doing the rejection? My problem, on lists.sandelman.ca aka lists.tcpdump.org, is messages that appear to have been processed by my MTA (according to postfix logs), but which are never delivered, nor held. Lost somewhere in mailman3 queue. Sometimes they show up after a host reboot.

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