April 2025 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

Upgrading other python packages than the mailman ones in a venv results in dependency conflicts
by Ulf R. July 29, 2025

July 29, 2025

Hello, I know this should be the way to upgrade: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/upgrade-guide.html I have 3.3.10 installed. I saw that some python packages are outdated an tried this which install all outdated packages in a row: pip list --outdated --format=json | jq '.[].name' | xargs -n1 pip install -U One outdated package was django and this part happened: ------------------------------- vDownloading Django-5.1.4-py3-none-any.whl (8.3 MB) Installing collected packages: Django Attempting uninstall: Django Found existing installation: Django 4.2.16 Uninstalling Django-4.2.16: Successfully uninstalled Django-4.2.16 ERROR: pip's dependency resolver does not currently take into account all the packages that are installed. This behaviour is the source of the following dependency conflicts. hyperkitty 1.3.12 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. mailman-web 0.0.9 requires django<4.3,>=4.0, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. postorius 1.3.13 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. django-mailman3 1.3.15 requires django<5.1,>=4.2, but you have django 5.1.4 which is incompatible. Successfully installed Django-5.1.4 ------------------------------- So I made a roll back. Is this really the only secure way to update the venv?: pip install -U mailman postorius django-mailman3 hyperkitty mailman-web May be yes and I have to ignore the rest? ;-) Thank you und regards

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Enforcing SSO and subscription options
by dlb-ml＠anl.gov July 21, 2025

July 21, 2025

Contrary to the messages I found in the archive, rather trying to delete or remove the social login portion of the sign in page, I'm looking to see if there's any way to isolate the third-party login section and prevent local account sign in and sign up. This way, we can ensure that the people within our organization are using a stronger auth method that prioritizes MFA, rather than just username/password. To do this, our plan is to block signups using "ACCOUNT_ADAPTER = 'django_mailman3.views.user_adapter.DisableSignupAdapter'" and to remove the portions of the login template such that the username/password/forgot password fields are removed, leaving just the button to our SSO instance. I'm anticipating that this should be sufficient to block username/password sign ins, and is resistant to page manipulation due to CSRF tokens, but I wanted to ask to see if there was a better way, like an official configuration (which I have not found yet). I did see that there is the SOCALACCOUNT_ONLY option, as provided by allauth (https://docs.allauth.org/en/latest/socialaccount/configuration.html) but that broke any attempt to display the sign in page, and I'm assuming is not supported with the current version of MM3. Is my plan to modify the templates viable? Additionally, because external users would not have access to their own dashboards within the web UI, and since we are planning on disabling anonymous subscriptions with "SHOW_ANONYMOUS_SUBSCRIBE_FORM=False", the only two viable ways to subscribe to a list for them would be: 1) Send a request directly to the list owner or a superadmin to subscribe/unsubscribe the address 2) Allow email commands to subcribe/unsubscribe users (i.e. $LISTNAME-join@$DOMAIN) Given the discussions on disabling the anonymous subscription form, are the email commands a less spam-susceptible solution or are they just as vulnerable as the form? Thanks

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redirecting -bounces replies
by Hirayama, Pat June 26, 2025

June 26, 2025

Greetings, Is it possible to redirect the -bounces alias of a specific list so that it also goes to a person, in addition to the normal bounces processing for that list? In Mailman2, I know that I could do that by modifying the aliases table. I've been poking around in Mailman3, but haven't managed to figure out which container I need to be looking at. And rather than keep spinning, I figured that I'd ask the hive mind, since I'm sure one of you can quickly point me to the correct location. Thanks! -p Pat Hirayama Pronouns: he/him/his Systems Engineer IT | Systems Engineering - Infrastructure Fred Hutch Cancer Center O 206.667.4856 phirayam(a)fredhutch.org<mailto:phirayam@fredhutch.org>

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"this held message has been lost"
by Ethan Furman June 10, 2025

June 10, 2025

I have now seen this message on two different occasions. Any ideas on what is happening? Happy to provide additional information if I am told what is needed (and how to get it -- I'm a web moderator for the list without access to the machine it runs on). :) -- ~Ethan~

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Recently active discussions - Hyperkitty
by Sam Darwin June 5, 2025

June 5, 2025

Hi, Sometimes not sure if it's preferable to open a gitlab issue, or chat on the mailing list. I have run a large archive import into mailman3/hyperkitty. After that's done, waited a day, for scheduled cron jobs to complete. In "All Threads", all the email archives are present. The import worked. In "RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS" on the main page, it says: RECENTLY ACTIVE DISCUSSIONS No discussions this month (yet). Nothing there. That means if I direct users to visit the site, the page, it appears empty. That's too bad. :-) It should display recent emails. What would affect this feature during an archive import? Is it a problem with the import script itself, or with a scheduled cron job, or something else? Would you expect "Recently active discussions" be empty when very recent archives do exist? Thanks, Sam

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Exception when rendering certain emails ([Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error...)
by Matt Blissett May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

Hi, I get exceptions logged when certain pages in the email archives (imported from Mailman 2) are opened. For example, this thread: https://lists.tdwg.org/archives/list/tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJ… Could this be a bug in parsing the message? It's deployed using the maxking Docker packages, v0.5.3b1. Thanks, Matt Log follows: Internal Server Error: /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies AssertionError at /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies No exception message supplied Request Method: GET Request URL: https://lists.tdwg.org/archives/list/tdwg-tag@lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJ… Django Version: 4.2.20 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi Python Version: 3.12.10 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python312.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.12', '/usr/lib/python3.12/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages'] Server time: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 15:04:09 +0000 Installed Applications: ['hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'django.contrib.humanize', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.openid', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.github', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.gitlab', 'allauth.socialaccount.providers.google'] Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'allauth.account.middleware.AccountMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py", line 55, in inner response = get_response(request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py", line 197, in _get_response response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/lib/view_helpers.py", line 137, in inner return func(request, *args, **kwargs) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/views/thread.py", line 269, in replies replies_html = replies_tpl.render(context, request) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/backends/django.py", line 61, in render return self.template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 175, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/defaulttags.py", line 238, in render nodelist.append(node.render_annotated(context)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/loader_tags.py", line 208, in render return template.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 177, in render return self._render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 167, in _render return self.nodelist.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1005, in render return SafeString("".join([node.render_annotated(context) for node in self])) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 966, in render_annotated return self.render(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 1064, in render output = self.filter_expression.resolve(context) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/django/template/base.py", line 742, in resolve new_obj = func(obj, *arg_vals) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/hyperkitty/templatetags/decorate.py", line 42, in render return mark_safe(text_renderer(content)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 120, in __call__ return self.parse(s)[0] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/markdown.py", line 93, in parse self.block.parse(state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 368, in parse_block_quote text, end_pos = self.extract_block_quote(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 345, in extract_block_quote end_pos = self.parse_method(m4, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 216, in parse_method return func(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 387, in parse_list return parse_list(self, m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 64, in parse_list groups = _parse_list_item(block, bullet, groups, token, state, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/list_parser.py", line 174, in _parse_list_item block.parse(child, rules) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/block_parser.py", line 457, in parse end_pos2 = self.parse_method(m, state) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/mistune/core.py", line 214, in parse_method assert lastgroup ^^^^^^^^^ Exception Type: AssertionError at /archives/list/tdwg-tag(a)lists.tdwg.org/thread/HZCJQBJPACPZZN7UDNKJIPIFNTM7CA63/replies Raised during: hyperkitty.views.thread.replies Request information: USER: mailman-admin GET: sort = 'thread' last_view = '' POST: No POST data FILES: No FILES data COOKIES: csrftoken = '********************' sessionid = '********************'

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configuring postfix local recipient table
by Alexander Inzinger-Zrock May 5, 2025

May 5, 2025

**System Key Data** OS: Debian 12 mailman: GNU Mailman 3.3.10 (Tom Sawyer) Python: Python 3.11.2 (main, Nov 30 2024, 21:22:50) [GCC 12.2.0] Method: Python Virtual Environment Installation Ahoi, i am trying to configure a mailman3 instance to replace a mailman2 installation (both on different hosts). The mm3 instance is actually not reachable (Incoming) but can send (Outgoing), as is the desired state to be (we intend to swap IPs during change of systems). A. Verify Incoming To verify that emails send to the MTA (postfix) get properly handled and handed over to the mm3-instance i tried to substitute incoming email by a) swaks utility [1] (fail) b) telnet utility [2] (fail) c) command ''mailman inject'' [3] (success) With c) i copied a former generate testmail-file to the mm3-host and injected it directly to my testlist (leaving out the MTA). With a) and b) i tried to hand over a testmail via CLI to the MTA (postfix) what resulted in the error: "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table" B. /etc/postfix/main.cfg A search in mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives [4] pointed me to the configuration of postfix as MTA [5], especially settings with the 'local_recipients_maps' parameter that should be set like [5]: local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps hash:/path-to-mailman/var/data/postfix_lmtp what i did / already had done. C. aliasing, restarting services and test without , I then restarted postfix, rebuilt the postfix aliases (command ''newaliases'') and rebuilt the mailman aliases (command ''mailman aliases''), even tried with space-separation instead of coma-separation [6], testet again with same result. D. empty /opt/mailman/mm/var/data/postfix_lmtp and then i just found out that my postfix_lmpt file was empty (that i believe to be the the place from where the hastables take their input). Questions: 1. could somebody suggest a way, an entry should occur in postfix_lmtp? 2. What would be the appropriate order to manually generate aliases? first: postfix-command ''newaliases'' and second: mailman-command ''mailman aliases'' or reverse? 3. finding traces [7] of a file called postfix.cfg i can't find it (anymore) in the official installation instructions. Is that file (still?) necessary regarding: 3.1 parameter for default lookup table type 3.2 pointing to command ''postmap'' 4. to what user should the command ''postmap'' be available [8]? Any pointer to manuals or examples i may have missed or ideas on any of those 4 questions would be greatly appreciated. lg alexander Sources: [1] swaks utility https://jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/ [2] telnet utility https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telnet [3] command ''mailman inject'' https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… [4] search mailman-users(a)mailman3.org archives 'user unknown in local recipient table' https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/search?q=user+unknown+in+local+recipien… [5] docs mm3: 'Hooking up your mail server' https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h… [6] docs postfix: local_recipient_maps https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#local_recipient_maps [7] traces of postfix.cfg + https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… + https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/NEWS.… [8] docs mm3: transport maps (regarding command ''postmap'') https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…

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Log Owner/Moderator actions ban address matching.
by Hitashi mancho May 1, 2025

May 1, 2025

Dear All, In Mailman 3, is there any way we can log the Owner/Moderator actions like moderator "x" approved the posting on list(a)example.com? Also, I have configured some local ban lists and some global ban lists as per my organization's policy. In my setup, I observed that when someone from the ban list posts to the list, that posting goes into a blackhole without leaving any trace. I may have made some configuration mistakes, but can we log the ban list matching or generate a notification if some postings match the ban list? Regards, Hitachi.

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Mailman not starting after restoring from snapshot
by zachr＠mta.ca April 28, 2025

April 28, 2025

I made a snapshot of my mailman3 VM before running a script to modify a bunch of lists. I stupidly did not turn the VM off before I made the snapshot, so Im almost certain this is a corrupted DB problem from doing a snapshot restore. The issue is now that the mailman service will not start automatically. Im able to get to the web interface but I see the error "Mailman REST API not available. Please start Mailman core." I can su to the mailman user and run 'mailman start -f' which seems to get things going again and shows the lists as they were before the snapshot, which is good, but I would like to get the issue fixed so that services start normally. Any help is appreciated. Here is some terminal output: ===================== ''' root@mlist3:~# systemctl status mailman3 × mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/mailman3.service; enabled; preset: enabled) Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2025-04-28 13:24:43 UTC; 1min 39s ago Process: 1873 ExecStart=/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman start (code=exited, status=2) CPU: 776ms Apr 28 13:24:42 mlist3 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. root@mlist3:~# systemctl start mailman3 Job for mailman3.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status mailman3.service" and "journalctl -xeu mailman3.service" for details. root@mlist3:~# journalctl -xeu mailman3.service ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 662. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 mailman[1873]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:24:43 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 662 and the job result is failed. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 systemd[1]: Starting mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager... ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has begun execution. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1074. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Usage: mailman start [OPTIONS] Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Try 'mailman start -h' for help. Apr 28 13:30:21 mlist3 mailman[1986]: Error: A previous run of GNU Mailman did not exit cleanly (stale_lock). Try using --force Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT ░░ Subject: Unit process exited ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ An ExecStart= process belonging to unit mailman3.service has exited. ░░ ░░ The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2. Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: mailman3.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. ░░ Subject: Unit failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ The unit mailman3.service has entered the 'failed' state with result 'exit-code'. Apr 28 13:30:22 mlist3 systemd[1]: Failed to start mailman3.service - GNU Mailing List Manager. ░░ Subject: A start job for unit mailman3.service has failed ░░ Defined-By: systemd ░░ Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support ░░ ░░ A start job for unit mailman3.service has finished with a failure. ░░ ░░ The job identifier is 1074 and the job result is failed. ''' ====================================== Thank you in advance for any assistance.

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Info mails to list owners have "user@example.com" as from address (bounce score incremented)
by Ulf R. April 25, 2025

April 25, 2025

Hello, mails to list owners with subjects like <Mailaddress>'s bounce score incremented on <MyListName> comes from "user(a)example.com". Where is the right place to change this? We never defined this mail address anywhere. Thank you very much!

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