January 2023 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix'
by Odhiambo Washington Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

The documentation <https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/mta.h…> says that I need to create /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg containing: [postfix] transport_file_type: regex Then append the path to the [mta] section of mailman.cfg, viz: [mta]incoming: mailman.mta.postfix.LMTPoutgoing: mailman.mta.deliver.deliverlmtp_host: mail.example.comlmtp_port: 8024smtp_host: mail.example.comsmtp_port: 25configuration: /path/to/postfix-mailman.cfg That is exactly what I have done on my test platform, but I get the error below when creating a list. Perhaps I overlooked something? (venv) lists% mailman create mylist(a)lists.wash.lan Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 789, in get value = d[option] File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 941, in __getitem__ return self.__missing__(key) # support subclasses that define __missing__ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/collections/__init__.py", line 933, in __missing__ raise KeyError(key) KeyError: 'postmap_command' During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman/venv/bin/mailman", line 33, in <module> sys.exit(load_entry_point('mailman==3.3.8', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')()) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1130, in __call__ return self.main(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1055, in main rv = self.invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 69, in invoke return super().invoke(ctx) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1657, in invoke return _process_result(sub_ctx.command.invoke(sub_ctx)) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 1404, in invoke return ctx.invoke(self.callback, **ctx.params) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/core.py", line 760, in invoke return __callback(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/click/decorators.py", line 26, in new_func return f(get_current_context(), *args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/commands/cli_lists.py", line 188, in create mlist = create_list(fqdn_listname, owners) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/app/lifecycle.py", line 102, in create_list call_name(config.mta.incoming).create(mlist) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/utilities/modules.py", line 70, in call_name return named_callable(*args, **kws) File "/opt/mailman/venv/lib/python3.9/site-packages/mailman/mta/postfix.py", line 87, in __init__ self.postmap_command = mta_config.get('postfix', 'postmap_command') File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/configparser.py", line 792, in get raise NoOptionError(option, section) configparser.NoOptionError: No option 'postmap_command' in section: 'postfix' -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-)

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MM3 to MM3 migration
by David Newman Feb. 1, 2023

Feb. 1, 2023

I’m looking to migrate several mailing lists from one server running MM3/Django/Hyperkitty to another. Same operating system and python environment and venvs for both. Although the canonical hostnames for the two servers will differ, I can use the same hostnames for lists once I’ve got everything set up. Is this really as simple as building the new server, creating the same lists on the new server, and rsync’ing the archives from the old server? If not, how to do the migration? I checked the archives and saw many threads on MM2 -> MM3, but did not see anything on MM3 migration. Thanks in advance. dn

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Must every Moderator/Admin be member of a list to be able to use Postorius?
by mm3-omf＠sh.werbittewas.de Jan. 31, 2023

Jan. 31, 2023

we're using debian/devuan with distribution-mailman3 and tried to add admin/mod for a list, but if logging in as this user, there's no item to manage the list at all. do we have to add this user as member of this list? (that wouldn't be nice, because the user doesn't want to get normal Mails from List, but only admin-Mails) regards omf

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Language switch
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Hi, I can't set other languages in MM3 web. I did it https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/model/docs… I tried to add language cose in settings_local.py and in mailman.cfg but nothing happens How can I do?

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New Installation of MM3 is not archiving
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Greetings, I finally completed installation of Mailman 3 following the instructions here: https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-configu… I got a lot of support from this mailing-list too and I am mighty grateful for that. My new MM3 instance does not seem to be archiving. List subscribers are currently sending and receiving mails on their subscribed lists. However, none of the correspondence is showing up at https://mailing-list-site.tld/archives/. That page shows a listing of the active mailing-lists with '0 participants' and '0 discussions'. Whereas, those lists contain mails. How do I troubleshoot this?

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About to Install MM3 -- Seeking clarification
by Onyeibo Oku Jan. 30, 2023

Jan. 30, 2023

Good Morning Everyone, I installed and managed mailman 2 for about two years. I am now ready to try Mailman 3. The documentation for version 2 was lucid and this forum was quite helpful in the past. Now I'd like to proceed with installating MM3 but I doubt my understanding of the docs. It seems to assume that users will know what to do. Okay, don't laugh! I just want to be sure what I am doing. Does the following sequence resemble the proper steps? 1. Download the source from a git repo (I understood that one) 2. Create a virtual environment (venv perhaps ... not stated explicitly) 3. activate the virtual environment 4. from the git project root, run: ./mailman start I know, its stupid. I had to ask. It would really build my confidence someone would confirm the above steps or counter then with something very explicit. What about process ownership? Do I need to have a unix mailman user? What else do I need to get mailman up and running before proceeding to configuration. Ahaa! I perused the config docs a bit. Where can I find the .cfg file? I hope these questions are not too annoying. Regards Onyeibo

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long time user of mailman 2, new to docker-mailman and docker
by pjbondi＠systemdatabase.com Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hello to all: I'm getting this stack trace with the following redacted settings. # ALLOWED_HOSTS * # DEBUG True # HYPERKITTY_API_KEY llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll # MAILMAN_ADMIN_EMAIL xxxxxxx(a)yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com # MAILMAN_HOSTNAME mailman-web # MM_HOSTNAME yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ca # MTA postfix # SECRET_KEY kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk # SERVE_FROM_DOMAIN yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.ca # SMTP_HOST smtp-relay.sendinblue.com # SMTP_HOST_PASSWORD pppppppppppppppp # SMTP_HOST_USER xxxxxxx(a)yyyyyyyyyyyyyy.com # SMTP_PORT 587 # SMTP_USE_TLS True # [very long startup snipped] Applying postorius.0001_initial... OK Applying postorius.0002_auto_20160210_0721... OK Applying postorius.0003_drop_addressconfirmationprofile... OK Applying postorius.0004_create_email_template... OK Applying postorius.0005_auto_20180707_1107... OK Applying postorius.0006_auto_20180711_1359... OK Applying postorius.0007_auto_20180712_0536... OK Applying postorius.0008_auto_20190310_0717... OK Applying postorius.0009_auto_20190508_1604... OK Applying postorius.0010_auto_20190821_0621... OK Applying postorius.0011_auto_20191109_1219... OK Applying postorius.0012_auto_20200420_2136... OK Applying postorius.0013_auto_20201116_0058... OK Applying sessions.0001_initial... OK Applying sites.0002_alter_domain_unique... OK Setting systemdatabase.ca as the default domain ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) sqlite3.OperationalError: no such table: django_site The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "manage.py", line 10, in <module> execute_from_command_line(sys.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 381, in execute_from_command_line utility.execute() File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/__init__.py", line 375, in execute self.fetch_command(subcommand).run_from_argv(self.argv) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 323, in run_from_argv self.execute(*args, **cmd_options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/base.py", line 364, in execute output = self.handle(*args, **options) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/core/management/commands/shell.py", line 86, in handle exec(options['command']) File "<string>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/query.py", line 741, in update rows = query.get_compiler(self.db).execute_sql(CURSOR) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1471, in execute_sql cursor = super().execute_sql(result_type) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py", line 1142, in execute_sql cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 67, in execute return self._execute_with_wrappers(sql, params, many=False, executor=self._execute) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 76, in _execute_with_wrappers return executor(sql, params, many, context) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/utils.py", line 89, in __exit__ raise dj_exc_value.with_traceback(traceback) from exc_value File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/utils.py", line 84, in _execute return self.cursor.execute(sql, params) File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/django/db/backends/sqlite3/base.py", line 383, in execute return Database.Cursor.execute(self, query, params) django.db.utils.OperationalError: no such table: django_site

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Re: Fwd: [Django] ERROR (EXTERNAL IP): Internal Server Error: /archives/search
by Dave Hall Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hello, Please pardon a slightly off-topic comment, but I would like to highlight a part of Odhiambo's post. Heavily nested inline replies also reflect the issue I wish to comment on, so I'm not going to. Granted, I am a slow learner, and perhaps already so mixed up after reading > the myriad HOWTOs for > installing MM3 that are available online. I am tempted to say there are > many like me who are likely to > miss "where to obtain" other settings from. and > Is it possible to modify the documentation to somehow make it obvious (in a > language that a layman can easily understand, I have seen this with several open source projects lately. There's no big picture, just 'hundreds' of cross-linked little bits of disjointed information that almost seem like documentation for individual modules. I once joined a large commercial project for a major US computer company (sorry, I won't share details). They were quite proud of their extensive documentation. The docs for their equivalent of the kernel syscall interface, when printed (two-sided) and stacked, would easily approach 2 meters tall. Yet, every bit of it was incomprehensible unless and until you called the developer and had them explain it to you. The problem that we all have, us humans, is that when we are very familiar with something, like the code we've been working on, it is very hard to describe its purpose to somebody who knows nothing about it. ("It's obvious to me, so it should be obvious to you."). So, a challenge for us all: When writing and reviewing your documentation, imagine that you're explaining your whole project face-to-face to your grandmother, or to anybody who never learned to program. From experience I promise that it's easy once you get the hang of it. Thank you and sorry for the speech. -Dave -- Dave Hall Binghamton University On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:54 AM Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 9:34 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > > On 1/27/23 05:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:48 PM Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> Note that when following > > >> https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html you > create > > >> /etc/mailman3/settings.py and it contains > > >> ``` > > >> from mailman_web.settings.base import * > > >> from mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > >> ``` > > >> to establish a base set of settings that can be augmented or > overridden > > >> in /etc/mailman3/settings.py. mailman_web.settings.mailman in turn > > contains > > >> ``` > > >> HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS = { > > >> 'default': { > > >> 'ENGINE': 'haystack.backends.whoosh_backend.WhooshEngine', > > >> 'PATH': "fulltext_index", > > >> ``` > > >> which is a relative path for fulltext_index and may need to be set to > an > > >> absolute path. > > >> > > > > > > Mi Mark, > > > > > > I have read this page - > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and > further > > - > > > > > > https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html#initial-config > > > - without clicking any external links. > > > I still don't see the HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS in the settings.py included > > on > > > that page. > > > I am missing something obvious, no? > > > > > > Please reread what I wrote above. HAYSTACK_CONNECTIONS is not in the > > suggested settings.py but it is in mailman_web.settings.mailman and is > > imported by the suggested settings.py. > > > I have reread what you wrote now and I'm beginning to get the hang of this > method. > My observation is that it can only be _obvious_ to someone very familiar > with Python config > to decipher that *additional* settings *that can be augmented or > overridden > in /etc/mailman3/settings.py* can be obtained from: > /PATH-TO/mailman_web/settings/{base|mailman}.py after they have noticed > these two lines in > the sample settings given in /etc/mailman3/settings.py: > > from mailman_web.settings.base import *from > mailman_web.settings.mailman import * > > [At first instance, it is not obvious that mailman_web.settings.base and > mailman_web.settings.mailman are > actually paths in Python - which magically translates to > mailman_web/settings/base.py and mailman_web/settings/mailman.py] > Granted, I am a slow learner, and perhaps already so mixed up after reading > the myriad HOWTOs for > installing MM3 that are available online. I am tempted to say there are > many like me who are likely to > miss "where to obtain" other settings from. > For example, my mind all along has been tuned to having a settings_local.py > for overriding the settings.py. > However, with this particular documentation, it would appear that > everything is intended to just go into /etc/mailman3/settings.py. > > Is it possible to modify the documentation to somehow make it obvious (in a > language that a layman can easily understand, > that those two "import *" _DO establish a base set of settings that can be > augmented or overridden in /etc/mailman3/settings.py_ > and that those settings are in what file(s) ? > > I am not saying @Johannes Rohr <johannes(a)rohr.org> is a layman like me, > but > I think that is what hit him. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-users mailing list -- mailman-users(a)mailman3.org > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-leave(a)mailman3.org > https://lists.mailman3.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.mailman3.org/ > Archived at: > https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/message… > > This message sent to kdhall(a)binghamton.edu >

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EMWD/Affinity/Empathy in 2023
by jaboyib556＠v3dev.com Jan. 29, 2023

Jan. 29, 2023

Hi all, We're exploring Mailman 3 and the custom interfaces provided by EMWD's Affinity and Empathy look very interesting: https://www.mailmanhost.com/affinity-mailman/ However, I saw reports of EMWD being a one-man show and the owner sadly passing away in 2021; but I've also seen threads here referring to the Affinity and Empathy projects in 2022. It wasn't clear to me if EMWD is still an active business and Affinity and Empathy are still active offerings. Does anyone here have any direct contact/relationship/experience with EMWD/Affinity/Empathy following the owner's passing? Or knowledge of any other offerings publicly available today that are similar to Affinity/Empathy? Thanks!

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Can't see held messages
by Massimiliano Paragnani Jan. 27, 2023

Jan. 27, 2023

Hi everybody, I've a new installation in my own vps. Everything works if I set "Deliver immediately" but if I turn on the "hold for moderation" I can't see the mails in web interface and I can't confirm the delivery or discard. What information do you need to help me?

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