October 2021 - Mailman-users - lists.mailman3.org

MM3 generates long lines?
by peter＠chubb.wattle.id.au July 28, 2024

July 28, 2024

I'm seeing emails being dropped when mm3 talks to the local smtp server, with log errors like: 2021-06-23 15:42:24 1lvvea-007r8u-VN H=localhost (<FQDN>) [::1] F=<announce-bounces@<FQDN>> rejected after DATA: maximum allowed line length is 998 octets, got 1036 The email itself did not have such long lines AFAICT. I can disable line length checking on the mailserver, but that sounds like a recipe for the next one along to drop the email. Peter C

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hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index
by Ben Harris April 13, 2024

April 13, 2024

hello there, i migrated to a new host last night and i've been getting this error from a cronjob mail every minute. anyone have any ideas what would cause this? ERROR 2019-04-17 14:26:33,056 27205 hyperkitty.lib.utils Failed to update the fulltext index: ord() expected a character, but string of length 0 found Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/lib/utils.py", line 186, in run_with_lock fn(*args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hyperkitty/search_indexes.py", line 87, in update_index update_cmd.update_backend("hyperkitty", "default") File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 276, in update_backend last_max_pk=max_pk) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/management/commands/update_index.py", line 97, in do_update backend.update(index, current_qs, commit=commit) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 178, in update self.setup() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/haystack/backends/whoosh_backend.py", line 126, in setup self.index = self.storage.open_index(schema=self.schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/filestore.py", line 176, in open_index return indexclass(self, schema=schema, indexname=indexname) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 421, in __init__ TOC.read(self.storage, self.indexname, schema=self._schema) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 632, in read check_size("int", _INT_SIZE) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/index.py", line 626, in check_size sz = stream.read_varint() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/filedb/structfile.py", line 191, in read_varint return read_varint(self.read) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/whoosh/util/varints.py", line 102, in read_varint b = ord(readfn(1)) thanks, ben

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Splitting hosts: mta&core vs postorius
by Ruth Ivimey-Cook Jan. 18, 2024

Jan. 18, 2024

I'm trying to set up mailman3 on two hosts, one of which runs core + exim, the other runs postorius (&possibly hyperkitty). I have I think got core set up correctly, and postorius is sort of usable, but anything in the web ui that talks to core ends up with a white screen. I think what is happening is a postorius URL ends up with the core (or perhaps no) hostname, and as there's nothing there to answer it fails. I've checked the settings and I don't think I have misconfigured postorius. Is it possible that the bad url is being passed from core to postorius in some way and reused without changing the host? In the config at present, both hosts are visible to the browser, and each host can communicate with the other. Any ideas on how to pin down the problem better? Ruth

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Loops back to myself
by David Krantz Jan. 12, 2024

Jan. 12, 2024

Hi, I have a problem with my Mailman 3-setup. The symptom is that postfix rejects non-existing addresses for my list domains with <adr(a)example.com>: mail for example.com loops back to myself What I guess happens happens is that postfix for some reason accepts the mail as it is for a relay domain and finds that it is not deliverable locally as the address does not exist locally and then tries to relay it on to the appropriate MX server, which is itself and then fails and generates a bounce message. This is a bit annoying as I have set up postfix to only accept valid addresses. I have set the transport_maps, local_recipient_maps and relay_domains to the files generated by MM3. I run an older version of MM3 (3.0) but prefer to fix this without upgrading as upgrading is a relatively big undertaking. This is mostly a backscatter problem for spam I guess. Any ideas of very simple and easy to forget things that I've probably missed? Cheers // David

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: SSL error while connecting to hyperkitty
by Abhilash Raj Nov. 29, 2023

Nov. 29, 2023

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 10:20 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: > Hi Abhilash > > Thanks for the reply. > > Just two more answers please -:) > > Can I use the sample apache.conf in example_project in my webserver virtual host...?? See this thread for the apache configuration: https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/thread/… You'd need to adjust the paths and SSL configuration. > > And what should be the configuration details to be given in uwsgi server...?? http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html#setting-up-a-wsgi-server > > Regards > Sandeep > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:25 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >> __ >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 8:49 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: >>> Hi Abhilash >>> >>> Thanks for your reply. -:) >>> >>> We are using apache httpd as webserver to redirect. >>> >>> the proxy pass in webserver is >>> >>> ProxyPass / http://localhost:8000 >>> ReverseProxyPass / http://localhost:8000 >> >> >> Can you put `base_url: http://localhost:8000/hyperkitty` in your mailman-hyperkitty.cfg and see that it works? :) >> >> This should not try any funny SSL redirection. >> >>> I don't have idea of deploying this in production, so I just went on searching and I found wsgi (say uwsgi) is required to send the requests from webserver to mailman. Correct me if I am wrong. >>> >>> I have few queries listed below. Please reply to them. >>> >>> Should I use the wsgi.py present in the directory of mailman-suite ...?? >> >> Yes, that is the one which is supposed to be used. >> >>> >>> What should be the ProxyPass ..?? Where should the first hit go from webserver ---> uwsgi ---> ?? >> >> uwsgi is web server running Mailman's web componenet. It doesn't need to hit anything. You can restart it directly when you want to restart Mailman's web component, you don't need to do anything to your web server (httpd) for this. >> >> >> >>> >>> Can we run "python manage.py runserver" every time to start mailman suite..?? Can we make mailman-suite start/stop just by restarting the HTTPD..?? >> >> >> No, use a wsgi server, like uwsgi or gunicorn to run mailman-suote. `python manage.runserver` is a command used during development shouldn't be used at all in prod. >> >>> >>> What should be the entry in Hyperkitty.cfg file after all the above steps..?? I mean at the end >>> >>> Please reply to the above queries. Thanks for your help >>> Regards >>> Sandeep >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:45 PM Abhilash Raj <maxking(a)asynchronous.in> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, at 1:36 AM, sandeep kumar wrote: >>>> > Hi Team >>>> > >>>> > Iam seeing following errors while mailman is trying to archive in >>>> > mailman.log >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > This is my base URL in mailman-hyperkitty.cfg >>>> > >>>> > base_url: http://localhost/hyperkitty >>>> >>>> Are you sure this is the URL? this is http and Mailman shouldn't try to connect to this using HTTPS. >>>> >>>> Is your web server configured to redirect all HTTP traffic to HTTPS? If that is the case, then it is going to fail. >>>> >>>> Which wsgi server are you using? uwsgi? >>>> >>>> Can you also show your ProxyPass configuration? >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > *During handling of the above exception, another exception >>>> > occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", >>>> > line 449, in send timeout=timeout File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.24.1-py3.6.egg/urllib3/connectionpool.py", >>>> > line 638, in urlopen _stacktrace=sys.exc_info()[2]) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/urllib3-1.24.1-py3.6.egg/urllib3/util/retry.py", >>>> > line 398, in increment raise MaxRetryError(_pool, url, error or >>>> > ResponseError(cause))urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError: >>>> > HTTPSConnectionPool(host='domain.com <http://domain.com>', port=443): >>>> > Max >>>> > retries exceeded with url: >>>> > /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=SecretArchiverAPIKey (Caused by >>>> > SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate >>>> > verify >>>> > failed (_ssl.c:841)'),))During handling of the above exception, another >>>> > exception occurred:Traceback (most recent call last): File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >>>> > line >>>> > 154, in _archive_message url = self._send_message(mlist, msg) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/mailman-hyperkitty/mailman_hyperkitty/__init__.py", >>>> > line >>>> > 201, in _send_message files={"message": ("message.txt", >>>> > message_text)}) >>>> > File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", >>>> > line 116, in post return request('post', url, data=data, json=json, >>>> > **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/api.py", >>>> > line 60, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, >>>> > **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 533, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 668, in send history = [resp for resp in gen] if allow_redirects >>>> > else [] File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 668, in <listcomp> history = [resp for resp in gen] if >>>> > allow_redirects else [] File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 247, in resolve_redirects **adapter_kwargs File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/sessions.py", >>>> > line 646, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File >>>> > "/var/lib/mailman/venv3/lib64/python3.6/site-packages/requests-2.21.0-py3.6.egg/requests/adapters.py", >>>> > line 514, in send raise SSLError(e, >>>> > request=request)requests.exceptions.SSLError: >>>> > HTTPSConnectionPool(host=domain.com <http://domain.com>', port=443): Max >>>> > retries exceeded with url: >>>> > /hyperkitty/api/mailman/archive?key=SecretArchiverAPIKey (Caused by >>>> > SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate >>>> > verify >>>> > failed (_ssl.c:841)'),))* >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Rgrds >>>> > Sandeep >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 10:20 AM sandeep kumar <sandeep7790(a)gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Team any help >>>> > > >>>> > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > >>>> > > > On 30-Aug-2019, at 11:18 PM, sandeep kumar <sandeep7790(a)gmail.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Hi Team >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Iam using httpd to work with ssl on mailman 3 using proxy pass. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > After this configuration Iam not able to connect to hyperkitty. It is >>>> > > throwing ssl certificate error in mailman.log file. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > What should be the configuration of hyperkitty while using https in >>>> > > mailman..? >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Please help me with this Iam struck here from past 4 days >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Rgrds >>>> > > > Sandeep >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Sent from my iPhone >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards >>>> > Sandeep Kumar >>>> > +91-9642669192 >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Mailman-Developers mailing list -- mailman-developers(a)python.org >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-developers-leave(a)python.org >>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-developers.python.org/ >>>> > Mailman FAQ: https://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >>>> > >>>> > Security Policy: https://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> thanks, >>>> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Sandeep Kumar >>> +91-9642669192 >>> >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj (maxking) >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Sandeep Kumar > +91-9642669192 > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj (maxking)

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Mailman3 stopped sending out mail
by Abhijith PA Nov. 22, 2023

Nov. 22, 2023

Hello. Recently my mailman3 instance stopped distributing mail. But mailman's own mail (notification, digest etc) and archiving are working OK. I couldn't figure what is going wrong From mail.log --- Dec 31 10:03:20 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) Dec 31 10:03:20 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits) Dec 31 10:03:20 lists policyd-spf[10907]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=5.79.72.163; helo=mail.xxxx.xx; envelope-from=abhijith(a)xxxx.xx; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Dec 31 10:03:20 lists policyd-spf[10907]: prepend Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=5.79.72.163; helo=mail.xxxx.xx; envelope-from=abhijith(a)xxxx.xx; receiver=<UNKNOWN> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: 04C2412038F: client=mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: 04C2412038F: client=mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/cleanup[10912]: 04C2412038F: message-id=<f875c144-a23c-baa2-7de2-1b102d3e7494(a)xxxx.xx> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/cleanup[10912]: 04C2412038F: message-id=<f875c144-a23c-baa2-7de2-1b102d3e7494(a)xxxx.xx> Dec 31 10:03:21 lists opendkim[450]: 04C2412038F: s=_teknikKey d=xxxx.xx SSL Dec 31 10:03:21 lists opendkim[450]: 04C2412038F: s=_teknikKey d=xxxx.xx SSL Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: disconnect from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/smtpd[10900]: disconnect from mail.xxxx.xx[5.79.72.163] ehlo=2 starttls=1 mail=1 rcpt=1 data=1 quit=1 commands=7 Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: from=<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>, size=1699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: from=<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>, size=1699, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/lmtp[10915]: 04C2412038F: to=<test3(a)lists.yyyy.yy>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.87, delays=0.62/0.02/0.04/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/lmtp[10915]: 04C2412038F: to=<test3(a)lists.yyyy.yy>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:8024, delay=0.87, delays=0.62/0.02/0.04/0.2, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok) Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed Dec 31 10:03:21 lists postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed I am not sure why 'postfix/qmgr[13211]: 04C2412038F: removed' is happening. from /var/log/mailman3/smtp.log: Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) handling connection Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'LHLO lists.xxxx.xx' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'MAIL FROM:<abhijith(a)xxxx.xx>' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) sender: abhijith(a)xxxx.xx Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'RCPT TO:<test3(a)xxxx.xx>' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) recip: test3(a)xxxx.xx Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'DATA' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) Data: b'QUIT' Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) ('127.0.0.1', 48720) connection lost Dec 31 10:03:21 2018 (6323) Connection lost during _handle_client() Here again I am doubtful about 'Connection lost during _handle_client()'. Please help. Abhijith PA

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Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/
by Kilian Kilger Oct. 24, 2023

Oct. 24, 2023

Hi mailing list, I own a mailman box. I regularily (many times a day) get mail with an internal server error. I am using Debian and the included mailman3-full package. I guess someone tries to hack my instance. But I don't understand why this leads to the internal server error. I am also wondering why the request URL is /mailman/accounts/fedora/login, as I am using Debian (understandable if the request happens via an outside trigger). I have no clue about the internal workings of mailman though. I use Debian 11 bullseye and thus version 3.3.3. I can trigger the internal server error by myself by visiting the request URL. Despite these emails the instance seems to work fine. Best regards, Kilian. Internal Server Error: /mailman/accounts/fedora/login/ TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request Method: GET Request URL: <URL>/mailman/accounts/fedora/login/?process=login&next=/mailman/accounts/password/reset/ Django Version: 2.2.24 Python Executable: /usr/bin/uwsgi-core Python Version: 3.9.2 Python Path: ['.', '', '/usr/lib/python39.zip', '/usr/lib/python3.9', '/usr/lib/python3.9/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python3.9/dist-packages'] Server time: Fr, 17 Sep 2021 06:12:57 +0000 Installed Applications: ('hyperkitty', 'postorius', 'django_mailman3', 'django.contrib.admin', 'django.contrib.auth', 'django.contrib.contenttypes', 'django.contrib.sessions', 'django.contrib.sites', 'django.contrib.messages', 'django.contrib.staticfiles', 'rest_framework', 'django_gravatar', 'compressor', 'haystack', 'django_extensions', 'django_q', 'allauth', 'allauth.account', 'allauth.socialaccount', 'django_mailman3.lib.auth.fedora') Installed Middleware: ('django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware', 'django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware', 'django.middleware.csrf.CsrfViewMiddleware', 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware', 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware', 'django.contrib.messages.middleware.MessageMiddleware', 'django.middleware.clickjacking.XFrameOptionsMiddleware', 'django.middleware.security.SecurityMiddleware', 'django_mailman3.middleware.TimezoneMiddleware', 'postorius.middleware.PostoriusMiddleware') Traceback: File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/exception.py" in inner 34. response = get_response(request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 115. response = self.process_exception_by_middleware(e, request) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/core/handlers/base.py" in _get_response 113. response = wrapped_callback(request, *callback_args, **callback_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in view 71. return self.dispatch(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django/views/generic/base.py" in dispatch 97. return handler(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in get 56. return self.post(request, *args, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/django_mailman3/lib/auth/fedora/views.py" in post 67. client = _openid_consumer(request) Exception Type: TypeError at /accounts/fedora/login/ Exception Value: _openid_consumer() missing 2 required positional arguments: 'provider' and 'endpoint' Request information: USER: AnonymousUser

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Mailman 3 - Header Filter
by Thomas Lehker Sept. 25, 2023

Sept. 25, 2023

I am a Mailman neophyte and need help with filtering posts based on the subject field. We have a few list owners that want 'Out of Office' replies discarded. When using the below syntax in Postorius/Header filter the post is not discarded but ends up in 'Held Messages'. Is there any syntax I am missing or a setting in the lists that needs to be disabled/enabled to get these posts dropped? Any help is much appreciated. Header: ^subject: subject: subject Pattern: Automatic Reply 'Automatic Reply' "Automatic Reply" Action: Discard DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this message is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the message and delete/destroy any copy of this message. Information in this message that does not relate to the official business of the firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.

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Importing mbox files into archive defect with lines with From
by andrew.bernard＠gmail.com Sept. 19, 2023

Sept. 19, 2023

A curious problem, but seems to be well defined. I am importing mbox format files with 25 years worth of archives in 250 files from a Listserv list into hyperkitty. All is going swimmingly, except I get lots of partial emails with sender of None put into the current month, with text that has clearly been truncated. As I look at each one, I see that the line in the imported text is immediately after a line starting with 'From'. Clearly, 'From:' is an RCS-82 header, but 'From ' is not, and yet there is much evidence here that this is messing up the import. Is this a known bug? If not, how do I report it?

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Strange issue with bounce processing
by Brian Carpenter Sept. 13, 2023

Sept. 13, 2023

Dear List, First of all Merry Christmas to those of you that are observing it. I have an issue on one of my Mailman 3 servers. The bounce runner is not running, even after restarting mailman core. All the other runners are working fine. Here is the problem, after restarting it, a number of messages show up in queue/bounces from a single list. However the bounce runner is still not running. So I remove these messages from queue/bounces folder and restart mailman core. The same messages show up from the same single list again in queue/bounces. In the var/logs/bounce.log file, addresses from this list are being logged as being removed after starting mailman core. They correlate with the messages showing up in queue/bounces. I assume these "cached" bounces are what is interfering with the running of the bounce runner. I don't see anything in the mailman or mailmansuite log that would explain this behavior. How can I fix this? Thank you for any assistance. -- Brian Carpenter Harmonylists.com Emwd.com

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